|
|
SUPPORT ZPOST BY DOING YOUR TIRERACK SHOPPING FROM THIS BANNER, THANKS! |
Post Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
03-21-2018, 03:12 PM | #23 | |
First Lieutenant
165
Rep 305
Posts |
Quote:
Usually a good reminder to NOT do that crap on public roads and let the red mist fade......
__________________
2006 Z4 coupe - with HOMELINK!
1966 Mustang GT fastback (too many mods to list) 2015 335i GT 2014 981 Cayman S manual |
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 03:50 PM | #24 | |
Second Lieutenant
28
Rep 204
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 04:53 PM | #25 | |
dances with roads
4718
Rep 4,096
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 05:35 PM | #26 |
Colonel
879
Rep 2,546
Posts
Drives: Z4MC-X3-35i-525i, Corrado G60
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: MD
|
Have you ever driven a Z4 with hydro? The difference in steering feel is dramatic, not subtle, so I would disagree and say most people will notice the difference.
Back on topic. To the OP, do you plan on any upgrades? The aero side skirts and or bumper look really good on silver cars. |
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 07:11 PM | #28 | |
Private
57
Rep 83
Posts |
Quote:
At this time I enjoy the overall stock appearance, even the interior. I feel the Business Radio is lacking in features, yet I don't want to spoil the clean factory appearance of the dash. Eventually the urge to change some things may kick in. At the end of this year I'll probably change rotors and pads as I'm feeling a minor bit of pulsation under slightly more than normal braking. Its nice to have a civilized sports car with a roof, heat, and A/C that I can hop in at a moments notice and head out for a chill. Quite the contrast to my other sports car that requires a check-list of items to ensure readiness and compatibility with the weather. However, the Cobra still raises the hackles on my neck each time I start it and stimulates a bunch of other emotions. David Last edited by HTM101; 03-21-2018 at 09:18 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 07:20 PM | #29 | ||
Dog Listener
701
Rep 7,850
Posts |
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
1
HTM10157.00 |
03-21-2018, 07:33 PM | #30 | ||
Dog Listener
701
Rep 7,850
Posts |
Quote:
*The Cayman Gen I we now know was a disaster, but there was caché at the same price point or close to it. (I owned a Gen I Cayman before the Z. The Cayman is very competent, but boring, relatively, and there were too many issues.) But no one knew about the issues back then. |
||
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 08:31 PM | #31 | |
General
17278
Rep 18,720
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-21-2018, 08:31 PM | #32 |
General
17278
Rep 18,720
Posts |
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-22-2018, 10:06 PM | #33 | |
General
17278
Rep 18,720
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-23-2018, 01:10 PM | #34 |
Brigadier General
851
Rep 4,057
Posts |
When comparing the N52 3.0 si to the S54 in the Z4M, it should be noted that even if both cars had the same hydraulic steering, the si would feel different owing to its lighter magnesium block N52 engine.
Having said that, my E70 X5 has hydraulic steering and my Z4 3.0 si has electric steering and yes, I can notice the difference between the two. For track use, I can understand why M drivers love their hydraulic steering. But do I give a rats ass when I park the X5 and take the Z4 out for a nice top down spin around town or out over the highway on a sunny day? Nope.
__________________
Huz-Z
BMW Z4 3.0si Roadster. Montego Blue Metallic. Premium and Sport Package. |
Appreciate
1
wdb4718.00 |
03-23-2018, 05:01 PM | #35 |
Colonel
879
Rep 2,546
Posts
Drives: Z4MC-X3-35i-525i, Corrado G60
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: MD
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-23-2018, 08:42 PM | #36 |
General
17278
Rep 18,720
Posts |
So are you coming across as an Elitist M dick, or willing to have a conversation about it? Just because you own an M car with hydraulic steering (I have 3 cars with hydraulic steering) doesn't mean you can drive and appreciate the steering feel. The car (and BMW) with the best steering feel I ever drove was a 1977 BMW 320i. Hands down.
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-23-2018, 09:01 PM | #37 | ||
Colonel
879
Rep 2,546
Posts
Drives: Z4MC-X3-35i-525i, Corrado G60
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: MD
|
Quote:
Quote:
I really don't appreciate you calling me names, so please do not reference me in any further posts unless you have something positive to say. |
||
Appreciate
0
|
03-24-2018, 09:36 PM | #38 | |
General
17278
Rep 18,720
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-25-2018, 03:26 PM | #39 |
Private
79
Rep 93
Posts |
Agree. The hydraulic is far better in terms of feel. Wish they had come with a manual rack, but tires are just too wide for many people with manual these days.
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-25-2018, 05:47 PM | #40 |
Brigadier General
851
Rep 4,057
Posts |
It’s not just the rack that contributes to the difference. Even if you installed a hydraulic steering rack on a 3.0si, it would not feel exactly the same as a Z4M because the N52 engine in the si is not as heavy as the engine in the M.
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-26-2018, 08:19 PM | #41 |
dances with roads
4718
Rep 4,096
Posts |
Steering rack aside, I can tell the difference between the cast iron S54 lump and the 200 lb lighter magnesium N52. The front end of my 3.0si coupe is ridiculously responsive, I LOVE it. The M coupe is nice too, but not like that.
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-27-2018, 02:08 PM | #42 | |
Dog Listener
701
Rep 7,850
Posts |
Quote:
The EPS in the 991.1 GT3 is the best steering I've ever felt, that's comparing to E36/46/92 M3 and Z3/4M. All of which I've driven extensively over thousands of miles (991.1 included). I haven't had the pleasure of driving a Z4 EPS but if it's direct, which the descriptions indicate, and before BMW numbed EPS for the masses*, I'll bet it's damn good. Again, - 200 lbs. * I'll totally agree that most modern EPS like most Porsche or BMWs which follow the "isolate and filter everything out" paradigm are awful. But that's a design decision not an intrinsic characteristic. I don't think the filter and dumb down EPS plan was in play in the Z4 generation we have. BMW has made the current electric steering so numb on purpose. The mass market wants isolation and no feedback. Why? If the wheel provides feedback on grooves pulling the tires left/right, or on loss of traction, it scares people. And then most people then think the vehicle feels "unsafe". Isolation gives a feeling of security and invulnerability to the general public IMO. There was a piece recently on steering by an engineer at BMW where he talked about filtering all feedback out. "If the wheel is set straight and the road pulls the tire we just keep it straight and filter that 'noise' out of what's passed to the driver. The car knows where you want it to go, we just make it simple to go there. The driver doesn't need to know what's happening they just want the car to go where they want it to go." This is exactly what I do not want. That's what probably all of us here don't want. In fact, I'm pretty sure M or no M we probably agree 100% on this. But that feedback on road, what the tires are doing, that feels "unsafe" to the SUV mass market isolation crowd. Or at least that's my developing theory. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
03-28-2018, 07:41 AM | #43 |
Captain
370
Rep 870
Posts
Drives: 2006 BMW Z4M Roadster
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: NC
|
I read a similar article (maybe the same one) where the BMW engineer said they could make EPS feel any way they wanted through programming, and that if they wanted to make it feel like hydraulic they could. I sure wish they would offer a button like a sport button for the steering programming. The steering on our 2015 MINI tightens up in sport mode, but not as much as my first MINI.
It seems like it all boils down to two groups these days. Those who like the BMW brand for how the cars drive and those who like the BMW brand for the dang label but want a floatmobile, and the latter crowd is winning out.
__________________
2006 BMW Z4M Interlagos Blue/Black
Aux Port|LED Interior|LED Strip Trunk|Underseat First Aid Box|Stubby Antenna|Intravee II|BMW Oil Change Kit|Top Down Side Panels|Vibra Technics Engine Mounts|Rogue Trans Mounts|Engine Mount Bolts Upgrade|RS Windblocker|Euro Front Plate|M5 Illum Shift Knob|Supersprint Powerloop Exhaust|Gruppe-M Intake|RPI Scoop|Black Grills|19x8.5 ET35 F 19x9.5 ET22 R Sportline 8s PSS| Besian Vanos|CDV Delete |
Appreciate
1
Finnegan701.00 |
03-28-2018, 07:48 AM | #44 | |
Brigadier General
851
Rep 4,057
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Huz-Z
BMW Z4 3.0si Roadster. Montego Blue Metallic. Premium and Sport Package. |
|
Appreciate
1
Finnegan701.00 |
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|