Another Vibra-Technics Group Buy on M3Forum

inTgr8r · 07-10-2013, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polar

If you cant get any Nord-Locks for the 10.9 engine bolts, would it be just as fine with Loctite?

^This is off topic but.....

Locktite is not recommended where it gets heated.
Locktite will actually act like a lubricant under heat.
There may be some hi temp variants available though.

IMO this whole nordlock washer thing is overplayed.
The issue from the factory is that they were not torqued properly.
Just put them in with the regular washers,,,, torque properly and you will be fine.

Go onto an E46 M3 forum and ask how many people have this problem.
They won't know why you ask, because they don't have this issue.
....theirs got torqued properly at the factory.
,no locktite, no nordlocks .

Beedub · 07-10-2013, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

^This is off topic but.....

Locktite is not recommended where it gets heated.
Locktite will actually act like a lubricant under heat.
There may be some hi temp variants available though.

IMO this whole nordlock washer thing is overplayed.
The issue from the factory is that they were not torqued properly.
Just put them in with the regular washers,,,, torque properly and you will be fine.

Go onto an E46 M3 forum and ask how many people have this problem.
They won't know why you ask, because they don't have this issue.
....theirs got torqued properly at the factory.
,no locktite, no nordlocks .

+1000000000000000

polar · 07-10-2013, 05:49 AM

Sorry for the OT (but it was kind of related

).
Thank you for the info, you are very helpful as usual!

I've just ordered a set of roadies (Z4M)

.

inTgr8r · 07-10-2013, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polar

Sorry for the OT (but it was kind of related

).
Thank you for the info, you are very helpful as usual!

I've just ordered a set of roadies (Z4M)

.

I should add, that I did mine a while back with just the regular washers.
I put a paint marker on the bolt head to monitor any movement.
There has been none.

beta · 07-10-2013, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

IMO this whole nordlock washer thing is overplayed.
The issue from the factory is that they were not torqued properly.

According to the SIB was excessive heat during assembly to the right side, causing it not to be torqued correctly.

The nord-locks are probably not required for the engine bolts. I still recommend them because I put them on my strut to firewall braces, and they're still perfectly tight after 1.5 years, while before I had to re-tighten them periodically. So I know they work as intended.

inTgr8r · 07-10-2013, 01:19 PM

LOL... yeah, they had to come up with some excuse.
The randomness is what is strange.

The Nordlocks are certainly a great product
I looked briefly but had trouble finding one with a large enough seating area.
IIRC some did find a match though.

beta · 07-10-2013, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

The Nordlocks are certainly a great product
I looked briefly but had trouble finding one with a large enough seating area.
IIRC some did find a match though.

I think I got the part number from bills web space, it's in my mod list though. Got them from McMaster-Carr.

XMetal · 07-12-2013, 01:37 AM

Got these VT mounts (road version) installed today. These VT mounts are paired with my previously installed RE transmission mounts (no SSK). Initial impression is pretty much on par with everyone. Loving the more direct shifting action! It does live up to the hypes! However, there is definitely a slight increased in vibration, but only ever so slightly. It also raised my engine slightly as I can see the air tube being a tad bit closer to the strut brace. The minor raise in engine position could also be due to the worn OE mounts, although, the OE mounts appear to be in fairly good shape...but who knows

As a side note, I noticed that the rubber portion of the passenger side mount is slightly more compressed than the driver side after installation, but only by a tiny amount. Anyone else noticed this? Just being a nit pick.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with this mod

Thanks to all for providing the needed nudge in getting me to do this

That's it...no more mods...at least for the rest of this year...famous last words

RobertRO · 07-12-2013, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Locktite is not recommended where it gets heated. [...]
There may be some hi temp variants available though.

I remember the famous oil spray bar banjo bolts issue on M30 engines. The fix was a new bolt from BMW, which came with a dab of blue Loctite on the thread. It coped fine with the cylinder head temperatures.

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Go onto an E46 M3 forum and ask how many people have this problem.
They won't know why you ask, because they don't have this issue.
....theirs got torqued properly at the factory.
,no locktite, no nordlocks .

Yes, but E46 M3 was manufactured in Regensburg / Germany, while Z4M came from Spartanburg / US. However, the drivetrain was built in Germany. The question is: were the engine support bolts torqued by Hans or by John?

inTgr8r · 07-12-2013, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertRO

Yes, but E46 M3 was manufactured in Regensburg / Germany, while Z4M came from Spartanburg / US. However, the drivetrain was built in Germany. The question is: were the engine support bolts torqued by Hans or by John?

Bubba

seank · 07-23-2013, 11:41 PM

And what is GB discount code?

XMetal · 07-23-2013, 11:47 PM

PM'd it to you.

seank · 07-24-2013, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XMetal

PM'd it to you.

Ordered Thanks

Quickid · 07-24-2013, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirko

Awesome!! Thanks. I was looking to snag a set in the near future so I will join this GP.

Did you have it shipped to Canada?

Can someone PM me the GB code?

ZeD4Mr · 07-24-2013, 12:18 PM

Sold by the forum on these. Can someone send PM me the GB code as well? These should work well with my RE trans mount and AS SSK.

Mirko · 07-24-2013, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickid

Did you have it shipped to Canada?

Can someone PM me the GB code?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeD4Mr

Sold by the forum on these. Can someone send PM me the GB code as well? These should work well with my RE trans mount and AS SSK.

PM sent

bignosejim · 07-24-2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeD4Mr

Sold by the forum on these. Can someone send PM me the GB code as well? These should work well with my RE trans mount and AS SSK.

YES they do!!!

I have the exact same setup.

ZeD4Mr · 07-25-2013, 01:54 AM

Thanks Mirko. Got it and will be ordering soon..
By the way, anyone has those 10.9 motorsport bolts part number handy? How many will I need?

TIA,

polar · 07-25-2013, 09:10 AM

07119913653 (6 pcs) M8x25 10.9
07119913673 (2 pcs) M8x35 10.9
07119903078 (8 pcs) washers ( by new ones or reuse)
Oddly the long bolts are sold out at bmw europe?!?

Z4MHawk · 07-25-2013, 10:16 AM

Just to be clear since I wasn't able to find the part number on Realoem...are we talking about replacing items 3 and 10, plus washers?

bolts.pdf

E92M3Pilot · 07-26-2013, 11:15 AM

You guys keep breaking my piggy bank.

Which version are most of you getting, Competition or Road? I'm concern it will transfer more engine noise to the cabin, my trans mounts are already loud enough.

bignosejim · 07-26-2013, 02:24 PM

The vast majority of people are getting the road version. You can't go wrong with the road version, they will work with all setups.
If your FI and track a lot then you can get the Competition mounts. With those; however, you will get higher NVH at idle.
Either way you go, you can buy the other compound insert for around $60 if your not satisfied.

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polar Private 53 Rep 97 Posts Drives: Z4MC07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: sweden iTrader: (0)	Sorry for the OT (but it was kind of related ). Thank you for the info, you are very helpful as usual! I've just ordered a set of roadies (Z4M) .
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inTgr8r Lieutenant General 2426 Rep 11,667 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (10)	LOL... yeah, they had to come up with some excuse. The randomness is what is strange. The Nordlocks are certainly a great product I looked briefly but had trouble finding one with a large enough seating area. IIRC some did find a match though. __________________ '21 M2C Hockenheim Silver '18 718 Cayman S Lava Orange (sold) '13 E92 M3 Santorini Blue (sold) '07 Z4 M Coupe Alpine White (sold)
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07-12-2013, 01:37 AM	#30
XMetal Colonel 1128 Rep 2,861 Posts Drives: Anything Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 Z4M Coupe [10.00] 2018 Audi S3 [0.00] 2004 X5 [8.50]	Got these VT mounts (road version) installed today. These VT mounts are paired with my previously installed RE transmission mounts (no SSK). Initial impression is pretty much on par with everyone. Loving the more direct shifting action! It does live up to the hypes! However, there is definitely a slight increased in vibration, but only ever so slightly. It also raised my engine slightly as I can see the air tube being a tad bit closer to the strut brace. The minor raise in engine position could also be due to the worn OE mounts, although, the OE mounts appear to be in fairly good shape...but who knows As a side note, I noticed that the rubber portion of the passenger side mount is slightly more compressed than the driver side after installation, but only by a tiny amount. Anyone else noticed this? Just being a nit pick. Overall, I'm extremely happy with this mod Thanks to all for providing the needed nudge in getting me to do this That's it...no more mods...at least for the rest of this year...famous last words Last edited by XMetal; 07-12-2013 at 02:29 AM..
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seank enthusiast 48 Rep 1,695 Posts Drives: e30 m3,e90 wagon,sprinter,z4m Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: sacramento, ca iTrader: (4)	And what is GB discount code?
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XMetal Colonel 1128 Rep 2,861 Posts Drives: Anything Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 Z4M Coupe [10.00] 2018 Audi S3 [0.00] 2004 X5 [8.50]	PM'd it to you. Last edited by XMetal; 07-23-2013 at 11:57 PM..
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ZeD4Mr Lieutenant Colonel 501 Rep 1,543 Posts Drives: Skyer Z4MR Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada iTrader: (18)	Sold by the forum on these. Can someone send PM me the GB code as well? These should work well with my RE trans mount and AS SSK.
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07-25-2013, 01:54 AM	#40
ZeD4Mr Lieutenant Colonel 501 Rep 1,543 Posts Drives: Skyer Z4MR Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada iTrader: (18)	Thanks Mirko. Got it and will be ordering soon.. By the way, anyone has those 10.9 motorsport bolts part number handy? How many will I need? TIA, Last edited by ZeD4Mr; 07-25-2013 at 02:27 AM..
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07-25-2013, 09:10 AM	#41
polar Private 53 Rep 97 Posts Drives: Z4MC07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: sweden iTrader: (0)	07119913653 (6 pcs) M8x25 10.9 07119913673 (2 pcs) M8x35 10.9 07119903078 (8 pcs) washers ( by new ones or reuse) Oddly the long bolts are sold out at bmw europe?!? __________________ perdidit in spatio 18" Arc-8 - Michelin Cup2 - KW V3 - GC camberplates - RE trans mounts - VT engine mounts - Vorshlag RTAB shims - RPi - stubby - CDV del
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Z4MHawk Private First Class 3 Rep 165 Posts Drives: '06 Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: tulsa iTrader: (0)	Just to be clear since I wasn't able to find the part number on Realoem...are we talking about replacing items 3 and 10, plus washers? bolts.pdf __________________ '06 Z4 ///M Roadster: Silver Gray Metallic; Gray soft top. Zeckhausen CDV. ESS VT1 445 Supercharger. APEX ARC8's. Dunlap Direzza Star Spec's. Strong Struts. Royal Purple. RPI Exhaust w/ DKF hangers. Last edited by Z4MHawk; 07-25-2013 at 10:37 AM.. Reason: picture insert
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E92M3Pilot E86MPilot 23 Rep 265 Posts Drives: F10 550XI Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: North Jersey / Phila iTrader: (3)	You guys keep breaking my piggy bank. Which version are most of you getting, Competition or Road? I'm concern it will transfer more engine noise to the cabin, my trans mounts are already loud enough. __________________ E46M, E60/545I, E36/Z3M, E92M DTC, E93M 6spd, E86M(x2), F10 550XI (S2)(Current) Last edited by E92M3Pilot; 07-26-2013 at 11:36 AM..
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07-26-2013, 02:24 PM	#44
bignosejim Lieutenant 40 Rep 400 Posts Drives: 2007 IB M Coupe Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: DFW iTrader: (0)	The vast majority of people are getting the road version. You can't go wrong with the road version, they will work with all setups. If your FI and track a lot then you can get the Competition mounts. With those; however, you will get higher NVH at idle. Either way you go, you can buy the other compound insert for around $60 if your not satisfied.
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