DSC OFF

psygnosis · 07-27-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mfanatic325

I drive with DSC off. Always.

But I do drive slow in the rain, unless I happen to be somewhere with wide open spaces

Your trips to Walmart must be way more exiting then mine.

mfanatic325 · 07-27-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by psygnosis

Your trips to Walmart must be way more exiting then mine.

unfortunately I rarely ever go to Walmart. The closest one to me is about 15 minutes away through a somewhat sketchy/ghetto town at that

aerobod · 07-28-2012, 11:11 AM

The caption on this photo reads "This was one of the show vehicles that BMW was using to promote the new Z4 Roadster. It got into a little accident". It looks to have been a backwards excursion into a snow bank.

I think this says a lot about the Z4 (especially the ///M) and how you have to respect it at the limit, get into a panic and it does like to spin, finesse it and it is just brilliant. I have found the worst thing to do with my Z4M is it to rapidly back out of the throttle if you've entered a corner too fast, led to many autocross spins and a memorable 160km/h (100mph) two-and-a-half turn spin at the track due to doing this.

DSC can help initially to keep the car stable when you are in an unexpected situation and push the car to it's limit, but can't recover the car when you've exceeded the limit, it still needs respect whether DSC is on or off. I find this is in marked contrast to an AWD drive car with a relatively long wheelbase, such as the Subaru Legacy, you can pretty well do anything with that car and it will act in a benign manner, within the laws of physics.

"DON'T PANIC" is definitely in order when on the limit with the Z4M, leading to the rear just squirming and sliding gently under your backside as you laugh at how controlled and agile the car is, as opposed to rapidly spinning.

psygnosis · 07-28-2012, 05:14 PM

I hear real drivers disable ABS too.

On an unrelated note, anyone have some M Sport seats they can't use anymore?

Mueller944s2 · 07-28-2012, 05:56 PM

If your car came with racing brakes and you pay attention then you don't need abs

jophish17 · 07-28-2012, 06:30 PM

You must live in a world where everyone is a perfect driver, and they always make predictable maneuvers.

Mueller944s2 · 07-28-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jophish17

You must live in a world where everyone is a perfect driver, and they always make predictable maneuvers.

No I live in the world of old 911s, if you're not already anticipating the guy in front of you then you're in for a world of hurt with that back end. Of course that texting teenager always causes problems!

Kgolf31 · 07-28-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mueller944s2

No I live in the world of old 911s, if you're not already anticipating the guy in front of you then you're in for a world of hurt

Then the girl on her phone pulls out of a driveway in the corner of your eye and you're too late.

ABS is here for a reason. Sorry we're not super cool like you and brag about interior technology on street cars.

I use ABS all the time when I autocross. If you don't engage it, you're not braking correctly.

zubydafa · 07-28-2012, 07:37 PM

how do you even disengage abs

Mueller944s2 · 07-28-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

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Originally Posted by Mueller944s2

No I live in the world of old 911s, if you're not already anticipating the guy in front of you then you're in for a world of hurt

Then the girl on her phone pulls out of a driveway in the corner of your eye and you're too late.

ABS is here for a reason. Sorry we're not super cool like you and brag about interior technology on street cars.

I use ABS all the time when I autocross. If you don't engage it, you're not braking correctly.

Never said the BMW wasn't nice, I like it I mean I picked it out for my mom. My Porsche does have abs, it saved my life many times in high school. But sorry, I was raised without any of this electronic crap, abs is ok for day to day, everything else goes off whenever I drive the z4

Kgolf31 · 07-28-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zubydafa

how do you even disengage abs

I suggest you dont do it unless you like flat-spot tires

Mueller944s2 · 07-28-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

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Originally Posted by zubydafa

how do you even disengage abs

I suggest you dont do it unless you like flat-spot tires

Heh, I pay a lot for tires. But when I'm 70 I can look back and smile so I let the rear end spin on a regular basis

Finnegan · 07-28-2012, 08:04 PM

ABS, DSC, nice aids IMO for unpredictable conditions (especially wet and stormy).

But they pale in comparison to alert attentive driving and good car control skills. DSC saved my *** on the track a couple of times in my first outings--but paying attention on the road has that outdone by many orders of magnitude, as have improved car-control skills.

Skills and attention can save you when people cut you off or fail to stop for red lights or creep past them (DSC and ABS alone cannot). But they can help in some cases.

Using both organic and electronic components seems like the best of both worlds to me--so I use both. My 2 cents.

Kgolf31 · 07-28-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mueller944s2

Heh, I pay a lot for tires. But when I'm 70 I can look back and smile so I let the rear end spin on a regular basis

You give BMW drivers a bad name. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

ABS, DSC, nice aids IMO for unpredictable conditions (especially wet and stormy).

But they pale in comparison to alert attentive driving and good car control skills. DSC saved my *** on the track a couple of times in my first outings--but paying attention on the road has that outdone by many orders of magnitude, as have improved car-control skills.

Skills and attention can save you when people cut you off or fail to stop for red lights or creep past them (DSC and ABS alone cannot). But they can help in some cases.

Using both organic and electronic components seems like the best of both worlds to me--so I use both. My 2 cents.

I see no benefit to turning aids off during normal driving. I can post plenty of videos of me auto-xing where a simple blip of the throttle sent the car sideways.

Mueller944s2 · 07-28-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

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Originally Posted by Mueller944s2

Heh, I pay a lot for tires. But when I'm 70 I can look back and smile so I let the rear end spin on a regular basis

You give BMW drivers a bad name. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

ABS, DSC, nice aids IMO for unpredictable conditions (especially wet and stormy).

But they pale in comparison to alert attentive driving and good car control skills. DSC saved my *** on the track a couple of times in my first outings--but paying attention on the road has that outdone by many orders of magnitude, as have improved car-control skills.

Skills and attention can save you when people cut you off or fail to stop for red lights or creep past them (DSC and ABS alone cannot). But they can help in some cases.

Using both organic and electronic components seems like the best of both worlds to me--so I use both. My 2 cents.

I see no benefit to turning aids off during normal driving. I can post plenty of videos of me auto-xing where a simple blip of the throttle sent the car sideways.

I'm not a BMW driver, I'm a Porsche driver, I just maintain my mother's BMW whenever it has a problem.

psygnosis · 07-28-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zubydafa

how do you even disengage abs

You pull a fuse, anyone who does this when not on a track is a giant fucking idiot.

Finnegan · 07-28-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

ABS, DSC, nice aids IMO for unpredictable conditions (especially wet and stormy).

But they pale in comparison to alert attentive driving and good car control skills. DSC saved my *** on the track a couple of times in my first outings--but paying attention on the road has that outdone by many orders of magnitude, as have improved car-control skills.

Skills and attention can save you when people cut you off or fail to stop for red lights or creep past them (DSC and ABS alone cannot). But they can help in some cases.

Using both organic and electronic components seems like the best of both worlds to me--so I use both. My 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

I see no benefit to turning aids off during normal driving. I can post plenty of videos of me auto-xing where a simple blip of the throttle sent the car sideways.

We agree. I've done that in AutoX as well.

My point was that organic (human brain, car control skills, being aware--forward, behind, alongside) plus electronic (DSC, ABS) is a winning combo on the street. Too many variables on the street, and I'll take all the advantages I can get.

Silververtu · 07-28-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

I use ABS all the time when I autocross. If you don't engage it, you're not braking correctly.

I guess i am not braking my car correctly

ajw45 · 07-28-2012, 11:32 PM

Nothing like watching the dsc come up like a Christmas light when you're going sideways in the rain or trying to power up a hill in the snow and the dsc wants to kill all the power to your wheels cause it can't decide which one is slipping more. There's some small grey area where dsc does help keep you inline but once you go way past that dsc will start fighting you in ways that may be unpredictable at best so I'm not convinced that it is necessarily a must for inclement conditions either.

psygnosis · 07-28-2012, 11:52 PM

I leave it on until it gets in the way.

If it gets in the way all the time..well you're probably perpetuating the stereotype.

RADRACR · 07-29-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Nothing like watching the dsc come up like a Christmas light when you're going sideways in the rain or trying to power up a hill in the snow and the dsc wants to kill all the power to your wheels cause it can't decide which one is slipping more. There's some small grey area where dsc does help keep you inline but once you go way past that dsc will start fighting you in ways that may be unpredictable at best so I'm not convinced that it is necessarily a must for inclement conditions either.

That's not what DSC was designed for anyway.

Kgolf31 · 07-29-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Silververtu

I guess i am not braking my car correctly

Track shouldn't be kicking in ABS.

From what I was taught, brake hard enough to where you're at the limit of the tires and ABS needs to do work. It's the fastest way to stop.

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aerobod Car Geek 3612 Rep 3,579 Posts Drives: Caterham R500, M2-G87, Macan S Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Calgary iTrader: (0)	The caption on this photo reads "This was one of the show vehicles that BMW was using to promote the new Z4 Roadster. It got into a little accident". It looks to have been a backwards excursion into a snow bank. I think this says a lot about the Z4 (especially the ///M) and how you have to respect it at the limit, get into a panic and it does like to spin, finesse it and it is just brilliant. I have found the worst thing to do with my Z4M is it to rapidly back out of the throttle if you've entered a corner too fast, led to many autocross spins and a memorable 160km/h (100mph) two-and-a-half turn spin at the track due to doing this. DSC can help initially to keep the car stable when you are in an unexpected situation and push the car to it's limit, but can't recover the car when you've exceeded the limit, it still needs respect whether DSC is on or off. I find this is in marked contrast to an AWD drive car with a relatively long wheelbase, such as the Subaru Legacy, you can pretty well do anything with that car and it will act in a benign manner, within the laws of physics. "DON'T PANIC" is definitely in order when on the limit with the Z4M, leading to the rear just squirming and sliding gently under your backside as you laugh at how controlled and agile the car is, as opposed to rapidly spinning.
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psygnosis Major 23 Rep 1,034 Posts Drives: '04 Z4 3.0i Sport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	I hear real drivers disable ABS too. On an unrelated note, anyone have some M Sport seats they can't use anymore? __________________ Straightaways are for fast cars, Corners are for fast drivers.
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Finnegan Dog Listener 701 Rep 7,850 Posts Drives: Z4M/. Z3M, E36/46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Teaching the dog to slalom iTrader: (22)	ABS, DSC, nice aids IMO for unpredictable conditions (especially wet and stormy). But they pale in comparison to alert attentive driving and good car control skills. DSC saved my *** on the track a couple of times in my first outings--but paying attention on the road has that outdone by many orders of magnitude, as have improved car-control skills. Skills and attention can save you when people cut you off or fail to stop for red lights or creep past them (DSC and ABS alone cannot). But they can help in some cases. Using both organic and electronic components seems like the best of both worlds to me--so I use both. My 2 cents.
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ajw45 Private First Class 32 Rep 149 Posts Drives: Z4M Coupe Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	Nothing like watching the dsc come up like a Christmas light when you're going sideways in the rain or trying to power up a hill in the snow and the dsc wants to kill all the power to your wheels cause it can't decide which one is slipping more. There's some small grey area where dsc does help keep you inline but once you go way past that dsc will start fighting you in ways that may be unpredictable at best so I'm not convinced that it is necessarily a must for inclement conditions either.
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psygnosis Major 23 Rep 1,034 Posts Drives: '04 Z4 3.0i Sport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	I leave it on until it gets in the way. If it gets in the way all the time..well you're probably perpetuating the stereotype. __________________ Straightaways are for fast cars, Corners are for fast drivers.
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