Michelin PSS\'s....ETA?

[BlackMoupe]

Anyone know when these are coming in more sizes? Currently it's just 20" Fitment. They said worldwide rollout in january...

I'm holding off on ordering wheels because I want PSS's haha.

[jragan]

You live in SoCal where it never rains. Why do you want a tire that tradeoffs overall performance for good wet traction? There are much better options out there for a whole lot less money.

[ZStig]

+ the PSS has very little thread on it, from what I've heard

[BlackMoupe]

I had a good experience with my PS2's...I see it as why spend around 1400 for tires if the replacements coming in a matter of weeks. And I still have 70% thread left on my stockies, these tires are for my second set of wheels

[whitejdm]

Originally Posted by jragan

You live in SoCal where it never rains. Why do you want a tire that tradeoffs overall performance for good wet traction? There are much better options out there for a whole lot less money.

Please define "overall performance". Are these tires not the replacement for the PS2 which are OEM spec on some of the top cars in world? And the Super Sports are only available in 20 inch fitments because they're OEM on the Ferrari 599 GTO. You should probably let Ferrari know that they've sacrificed overall performance for wet traction.

Not trying to be a dick but until they become widely available blanket statements like the one you've made don't really make any sense and are of no help to the OP

[FerRrari]

Originally Posted by whitejdm

Please define "overall performance". Are these tires not the replacement for the PS2 which are OEM spec on some of the top cars in world? And the Super Sports are only available in 20 inch fitments because they're OEM on the Ferrari 599 GTO. You should probably let Ferrari know that they've sacrificed overall performance for wet traction.

Not trying to be a dick but until they become widely available blanket statements like the one you've made don't really make any sense and are of no help to the OP

Well, just because Ferrari or other manufacturers chose a specific tire it doesn't mean it's the best.

I agree with the last part of your post though.

[jragan]

Wow. You guys all own cars (E85/E86 ///Ms) that serve as testimony to the fact that manufacturers do not put the best tires available on their cars. Instead, tire decision is based on a combination of factors/tradeoffs including availability (do I already have tires in-house that I can use), general drivability (not strictly performance), and price (which manufacturer is going to give the best deal/greatest kickbacks).

The PS2 (and its successor the PSS) are both categorized as Max Performance Summer tires which means they're not in the top summer performance category of Extreme Performance Summer tires. So the fact is, the PS2 (and the PSS) both ultimately trade some performance for better all-weather drive-ability.

The statements I made were not generalizations and if you had done your FMIR (Five Minutes of Internet Research), you would have known the difference.

[inTgr8r]

Until these tires are tested & reviewed, I wouldn't put much stock on any info you see out there yet.

It does look like there are some size choice limitations.

Pilot Super Sport (PSS) tyre sizes:

225/35 ZR19 88Y XL
225/40 ZR19 93Y XL
225/45 ZR18 95Y XL
235/30 ZR22
235/35 ZR19 91Y XL (Front: Porsche Turbo S)
235/35 ZR20 92Y XL K1 (Front: Ferrari 458 Italia)
245/35 ZR19 93Y XL
245/40 ZR18 97Y XL
245/45 ZR18 100Y XL
255/30 ZR21 93Y XL
255/35 ZR19 96Y XL
255/35 ZR20
265/30 ZR19 93Y XL
265/30 ZR21
265/30 ZR22
265/35 ZR19 98Y (Front: Koenigsegg Agera)
265/40 ZR18 101Y XL
275/30 ZR19 96Y XL
275/30 ZR20
275/35 ZR19 100Y XL
275/35 ZR20
285/25 ZR20 93Y XL
285/30 ZR20
285/30 ZR20 99Y XL K1 (Front: Ferrari 599 GTO)
295/25 ZR20 95Y XL
295/25 ZR21 96Y XL
295/30 ZR19 100Y XL
295/30 ZR21
295/35 ZR20 101Y K1 (Rear: Ferrari 458 Italia)
305/30 ZR19 102Y XL (Rear: Porsche Turbo S)
315/35 ZR20 110Y XL K1 (Rear: Ferrari 599 GTO)
345/30 ZR20 106Y (Rear: Koenigsegg Agera)

[tarheel91]

Originally Posted by jragan

Wow. You guys all own cars (E85/E86 ///Ms) that serve as testimony to the fact that manufacturers do not put the best tires available on their cars. Instead, tire decision is based on a combination of factors/tradeoffs including availability (do I already have tires in-house that I can use), general drivability (not strictly performance), and price (which manufacturer is going to give the best deal/greatest kickbacks).

The PS2 (and its successor the PSS) are both categorized as Max Performance Summer tires which means they're not in the top summer performance category of Extreme Performance Summer tires. So the fact is, the PS2 (and the PSS) both ultimately trade some performance for better all-weather drive-ability.

The statements I made were not generalizations and if you had done your FMIR (Five Minutes of Internet Research), you would have known the difference.

PS2's are out performed by the Dunlops in just about every regard (for 2/3's of the price) and are neck and neck with the Hankooks (for 1/2). Even within its category, it's not the top dog any more.

So why are they used by so many super cars? Simply put, there's more to tires than raw skidpad and slalom numbers. Slip angle vs. lateral acceleration, carcass construction, vertical stiffness, friction circle, etc. That's why it's good to stick with the OEM tire (or at least within the same brand). They don't all work the same, and you tune a car's suspension with a certain type of tire in mind. That's why you read reviews of the same tire where one guy says it's perfect and another finds it nervous and unpredictable.

Michelin pretty much makes the best race tires out there at the moment, so a lot of manufacturers are already very familiar with the dynamics of the tire (and thus it's easy to design a car around it). At least, that's my hypothesis.