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      11-19-2017, 08:45 PM   #23
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Agreed about the other transaction it is superfluous. Mr Tostado is understandably curious. Suffice to say the car arrived with a substantial defect and now title is being withheld in an effort to avoid financial responsibility for the defect. Since it is plausible that Jahen Tostado didn't know of the defect I agreed to his offer to split the cost of repair. That is the last agreement we had.
You also agreed to pay for the PPI and you didn’t pay.
You’ve had the car and done numerous upgrades to it and still haven’t even paid me for the car. Be a man and explain yourself. I’ll wait...
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I handle financial transactions everyday and despite what each of your stories are, this all comes down to the bill of sale. I would hope the seller sold the car "as is" considering the PPI and a friends "in person" inspection. That said shipping a car that distance has risk, so the damage could have legitimately been done during shipment. Nevertheless, the minute the car was received it's the buyers responsibility to inspect. If he drove the car as you guys are stating he automatically assumes responsibility. Going back to the seller and trying to get them to pay for something is pointless. Just pay the difference, take your bad ass car and go have fun with it! You both have made mistakes but caulk it up and move on.

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      11-19-2017, 08:54 PM   #25
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So according to Jahen, he agreed to sign over the Title but now says he never agreed to mail it...
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What? Why would l not mail it?? It’s signed and ready to be mailed but you won’t pay off the car. If l send it to you NOW that l know what kind of person you are, l have nothing and am out thousands if you decide to never pay it.
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I handle financial transactions everyday and despite what each of your stories are, this all comes down to the bill of sale. I would hope the seller sold the car "as is" considering the PPI and a friends "in person" inspection. That said shipping a car that distance has risk, so the damage could have legitimately been done during shipment. Nevertheless, the minute the car was received it's the buyers responsibility to inspect. If he drove the car as you guys are stating he automatically assumes responsibility. Going back to the seller and trying to get them to pay for something is pointless. Just pay the difference, take your bad ass car and go have fun with it! You both have made mistakes but caulk it up and move on.

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Whs...imo both kinda sound like a bickering couple he said she said stuff
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I handle financial transactions everyday and despite what each of your stories are, this all comes down to the bill of sale. I would hope the seller sold the car "as is" considering the PPI and a friends "in person" inspection. That said shipping a car that distance has risk, so the damage could have legitimately been done during shipment. Nevertheless, the minute the car was received it's the buyers responsibility to inspect. If he drove the car as you guys are stating he automatically assumes responsibility. Going back to the seller and trying to get them to pay for something is pointless. Just pay the difference, take your bad ass car and go have fun with it! You both have made mistakes but caulk it up and move on.

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Exactly, if you don’t want to pay the PPI and notaries and rush title fees l paid for fine but at least pay off the car before you go modding it and claiming it is damaged.
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      11-19-2017, 09:06 PM   #28
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I handle financial transactions everyday and despite what each of your stories are, this all comes down to the bill of sale. I would hope the seller sold the car "as is" considering the PPI and a friends "in person" inspection. That said shipping a car that distance has risk, so the damage could have legitimately been done during shipment. Nevertheless, the minute the car was received it's the buyers responsibility to inspect. If he drove the car as you guys are stating he automatically assumes responsibility. Going back to the seller and trying to get them to pay for something is pointless. Just pay the difference, take your bad ass car and go have fun with it! You both have made mistakes but caulk it up and move on.

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Exactly, if you don’t want to pay the PPI and notaries and rush title fees l paid for fine but at least pay off the car before you go modding it and claiming it is damaged.
To be honest I cannot even believe you paid for a PPI. You are selling a car. If someone wants it, that should be their responsibility. They woke up wanting a car you own, they go to sleep making you pay money for a car they still do not own? Unless you advertised and offered one... anyway like I said, hot Karl, needs to pay what he agreed. Or just report it stolen and see how that goes. Good luck
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Buyer should not have accepted/signed for car from shipper if it arrived with damage (other than what the seller documented or others documented before shipper took temporary custody of car during shipping process). If the buyer then drives the car ~200 miles afterwards further cements
that acceptance of the car's condition. The reasonable thing to occur now is to have a neutral party handle the exchange of the title and the $7k.
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      11-19-2017, 09:34 PM   #30
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To be honest I cannot even believe you paid for a PPI. You are selling a car. If someone wants it, that should be their responsibility. They woke up wanting a car you own, they go to sleep making you pay money for a car they still do not own? Unless you advertised and offered one... anyway like I said, hot Karl, needs to pay what he agreed. Or just report it stolen and see how that goes. Good luck
l paid it trusting he was gonna pay me back as he is in Hawaii, he then went on to post my PPI and receipt on this forum with all my personal info too. Who does that?
l trusted him too much and now he doesn’t want to pay the car off but is buying parts off YOU guys so here l am warning you.
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SO GLAD he wasn't interested in my car. Good luck seller, this guy smells like fish.
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      11-19-2017, 09:47 PM   #32
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SO GLAD he wasn't interested in my car. Good luck seller, this guy smells like fish.
He has no shame. Who buys a car and only pays 80% of it, drives it for 200 Plus miles, waits til he thinks the title is on the way and now decides he won’t pay the rest because of mysterious damage?
Seriously
PayPal me the rest of the balance and have your title overnighted, regain some of your “reputation “ Carl.
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      11-19-2017, 09:56 PM   #33
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For f**k sake, deal with this sh*t privately. By airing your dirty laundry both of you look like douches.

I don’t often put people on ignore but y’all just earned a one way trip. JFC.
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      11-19-2017, 10:36 PM   #34
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      11-19-2017, 10:52 PM   #35
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Somebody call Judge Judy
More like a segment of Judge Mathis.

Both parties slander the crap of each other, then get down to their small claims court case.
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The issues were all documented including a video walk around.
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Its a mystery to me why a dishonest seller is being backed?

I should have used an escrow company, lesson learned

Seller did not mention paint was peeling off the bumper.

It's not scraped off, it's falling off.

The agreement calls for the seller to send the title to receive the balance. He has not done so and it is beyond me why anyone here thinks that is acceptable?

For those of you that think its ok not to send the title, after I did exactly what our contract called for, I wonder why?

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Its a mystery to me why a dishonest seller is being backed?

I should have used an escrow company, lesson learned

Seller did not mention paint was peeling off the bumper.

It's not scraped off, it's falling off.

The agreement calls for the seller to send the title to receive the balance. He has not done so and it is beyond me why anyone here thinks that is acceptable?

For those of you that think its ok not to send the title, after I did exactly what our contract called for, I wonder why?
The agreement also calls for you to pay for the PPI and you have not. As you are in Hawaii, what leverage would he have if he sent you the title? I seriously doubt you would send the 7k + cost of PPI you owe once you have it. I don't see how you could possibly think you are in the right - the car was PPI'ed, you had someone inspect it before shipment and you drove it 200 miles before complaining to the seller. It is all on you now. Repainting a bumper isn't anywhere near $7k and the car was sold AS IS unless you have it in writing. It isn't a brand new car....

You have a car in your possession on an island for which you agreed to pay 30k and have only paid 23k and he is dishonest?
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The agreement also calls for you to pay for the PPI and you have not. As you are in Hawaii, what leverage would he have if he sent you the title? I seriously doubt you would send the 7k + cost of PPI you owe once you have it. I don't see how you could possibly think you are in the right - the car was PPI'ed, you had someone inspect it before shipment and you drove it 200 miles before complaining to the seller. It is all on you now. Repainting a bumper isn't anywhere near $7k and the car was sold AS IS unless you have it in writing. It isn't a brand new car....

You have a car in your possession on an island for which you agreed to pay 30k and have only paid 23k and he is dishonest?
I absolutely agree.
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Since trust is clearly broken on both sides at this point, why not just use this Title Collection service. It's just $60. Be done with it.

https://www.escrow.com/cars/essentia...ion-service-60

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Its a mystery to me why a dishonest seller is being backed?

I should have used an escrow company, lesson learned

Seller did not mention paint was peeling off the bumper.

It's not scraped off, it's falling off.

The agreement calls for the seller to send the title to receive the balance. He has not done so and it is beyond me why anyone here thinks that is acceptable?

For those of you that think its ok not to send the title, after I did exactly what our contract called for, I wonder why?

This just falls under the risk of buying sight unseen. And if the paint issue didn't come up in the PPI nor during your friend's inspection, not sure what else you expect seller to do. He fulfilled his side of the deal and you're calling something out after the fact. Who's to say it didn't get damaged during transport or even under your ownership?

Sending a car without full payment is beyond me but seller did so on good faith. Why would anyone give up the title if there's still a sales balance due? It's crazy you were already able to take delivery of the car to begin with.


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Since trust is clearly broken on both sides at this point, why not just use this Title Collection service. It's just $60. Be done with it.

https://www.escrow.com/cars/essentia...ion-service-60

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My thoughts too, both parties are clearly at risk of losing significant amount of time and money. What's an extra $60 or whatever the cost is to ensure this deal closes.
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The buyer should pay the agreed-upon $7,000 to the seller immediately. Even if we accept for a moment the highly dubious claims of undisclosed paint issues on the bumper, at a cost of $1,000 for a bumper respray, the buyer gets a damn fine Z4M coupe for a cost of $31,000. That's not a bad day, particularly as these cars are going UP in value.

And to be brutally honest, I see no photo or video evidence here to support any claim that the car arrived with damage, anyway.
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