Broken Exhaust Hub Tab

jdoublehcubed · 11-24-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by StickMon

Exactly the same thing that happened to me.
It will happen to all of us sooner or later.

If you are willing to spend the labor preemptively, you can cut about $600 off the cost of dealing with this by replacing your pump disc with the beisan systems one.

http://beisansystems.com/products.html

$150 for the pump disc vs $750 for a new hump. The new pump disc has smaller holes, which greatly reduces the likelihood that your tabs will break off.

bignosejim · 11-25-2015, 08:57 AM

I did the Beisan System fixes before mine could fail. Very good for peace of mind.

jdoublehcubed · 11-29-2015, 09:37 PM

dropped it off yesterday at Lang Racing. Tried, and tried, and tried to get kaiv, but his response time is just wayyyy to long.

jdoublehcubed · 12-29-2015, 11:29 PM

following up to my original post, I ended up taking the car to Lang Racing Development in Irvine (http://www.langracing.com/) to get the exhaust hub replaced, and I was extremely happy with the work. When I was trying to decide where to take the car I found this blog post on the website:
http://www.langracing.com/beisan-sys...d-maintenance/
so I was confident they were actually familiar with the issue. I had previously called European Auto Source, and it was clear they had very little experience replacing vanos systems, as they wanted to take the whole front clip off the car.

Andrew Lang, the owner of Lang Racing, met me personally when I dropped off and picked up the car, and was my point of contact the entire time, adjusting the quote to cover exactly what I wanted and giving me status updates and photos. They did all of the vanos work in the blog post above, and were happy to work with a Turbo Toys C300 hub I provided.

I was extremely impressed that the prices they charged for all of the Beisan parts were the same as those listed by Beisan. In my experience most shops can't resist marking up every part they provide by 100% or more, so it was really nice so pay exactly what I would have if I had bought the parts myself. Same with the C300 hub, the labor, parts charges, etc., were exactly the same as if I had used an OEM hub, just minus the actual hub cost (since I provided it).

Lang found that my pump disc had been badly gouged once they had the car apart, and they were able to re-machine my pump disc in house to add new holes. This only added $100 to my bill, and the car was still ready at the time promised. Finally, the labor charge was extremely reasonable, only a few hundred dollars more than kaiv charges.

As big as a p.i.t.a this job is, I would definitely recommend having Lang do it if you live nearby, rather than diy'ing. And having done a bunch of valve adjustments (8 or 9 I think) and pretty much everything else the car needs, I say that as someone who will diy just about anything.

Pics of the pump disc attached in case anyone is curious.

inTgr8r · 12-30-2015, 08:03 AM

Excellent!!

Sure wish we had someone like Lang up our way.

XMetal · 12-30-2015, 11:09 AM

Awesome

We're definitely very lucky to have guys like Andrew and Kevin here in So. Cal

jdoublehcubed · 12-30-2015, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Excellent!!

Sure wish we had someone like Lang up our way.

I would trust the guys at Bavarian Specialties in Philly with this sort of work without hesitation. I had a variety of stuff done there and was always impressed. Not exactly local for you, I think it would be around 8 hours away, but for major work it might make sense. Major being like an engine rebuild or something else likely to cost more than $3k. Its definitely a luxury to have places like that close by.

Steeler · 12-31-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Excellent!!

Sure wish we had someone like Lang up our way.

Ian, not sure what kind of machine shop these guys have. I have not been there yet.

http://www.tmwerkes.ca/

I was put on to them by JRP in Mississauga.
If nothing else the drive up there around Gormley is spectacular any time of year.

inTgr8r · 12-31-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dbarton62

Ian, not sure what kind of machine shop these guys have. I have not been there yet.

http://www.tmwerkes.ca/

I was put on to them by JRP in Mississauga.
If nothing else the drive up there around Gormley is spectacular any time of year.

Thanks Dave, they're only 30min from me.
I'll have to swing by and check them out one day.

11-25-2015, 08:57 AM	#24
bignosejim Lieutenant 40 Rep 400 Posts Drives: 2007 IB M Coupe Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: DFW iTrader: (0)	I did the Beisan System fixes before mine could fail. Very good for peace of mind. __________________ /// Vibra-Technics motor mounts /// Autosolutions SSK /// RE Tranny mounts /// Aero Turbine Exhaust /// Beisan Vanos upgrades /// SDW rtabs /// Fortune Auto 500
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11-29-2015, 09:37 PM	#25
jdoublehcubed Mechanical Engineer 96 Rep 1,025 Posts Drives: 2006 Z4MR, Imola Red Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Anaheim, CA iTrader: (1)	dropped it off yesterday at Lang Racing. Tried, and tried, and tried to get kaiv, but his response time is just wayyyy to long.
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12-29-2015, 11:29 PM	#26
jdoublehcubed Mechanical Engineer 96 Rep 1,025 Posts Drives: 2006 Z4MR, Imola Red Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Anaheim, CA iTrader: (1)	following up to my original post, I ended up taking the car to Lang Racing Development in Irvine (http://www.langracing.com/) to get the exhaust hub replaced, and I was extremely happy with the work. When I was trying to decide where to take the car I found this blog post on the website: http://www.langracing.com/beisan-sys...d-maintenance/ so I was confident they were actually familiar with the issue. I had previously called European Auto Source, and it was clear they had very little experience replacing vanos systems, as they wanted to take the whole front clip off the car. Andrew Lang, the owner of Lang Racing, met me personally when I dropped off and picked up the car, and was my point of contact the entire time, adjusting the quote to cover exactly what I wanted and giving me status updates and photos. They did all of the vanos work in the blog post above, and were happy to work with a Turbo Toys C300 hub I provided. I was extremely impressed that the prices they charged for all of the Beisan parts were the same as those listed by Beisan. In my experience most shops can't resist marking up every part they provide by 100% or more, so it was really nice so pay exactly what I would have if I had bought the parts myself. Same with the C300 hub, the labor, parts charges, etc., were exactly the same as if I had used an OEM hub, just minus the actual hub cost (since I provided it). Lang found that my pump disc had been badly gouged once they had the car apart, and they were able to re-machine my pump disc in house to add new holes. This only added $100 to my bill, and the car was still ready at the time promised. Finally, the labor charge was extremely reasonable, only a few hundred dollars more than kaiv charges. As big as a p.i.t.a this job is, I would definitely recommend having Lang do it if you live nearby, rather than diy'ing. And having done a bunch of valve adjustments (8 or 9 I think) and pretty much everything else the car needs, I say that as someone who will diy just about anything. Pics of the pump disc attached in case anyone is curious. Attached Images
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