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      01-29-2012, 10:54 AM   #67
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Afi is working on finding a tuning solution for a reasonable price. Once they do they will let me know. I told them that without a tuning solution there is no reason to try and move forward with fabrication
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Afi is working on finding a tuning solution for a reasonable price. Once they do they will let me know. I told them that without a tuning solution there is no reason to try and move forward with fabrication
Dont you mean ProEfi?
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Dont you mean ProEfi?
No, he means AFI (Arizona Forced Induction), the ones that're interested in developing a kit for Z4Ms.
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We have yet to see anyone mass produce this :-(
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      01-29-2012, 08:01 PM   #71
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Yeah AFI is what i meant. ProEFI is definitely a good tuning solution but its quite costly.
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Yeah AFI is what i meant. ProEFI is definitely a good tuning solution but its quite costly.
Because it's quite COMPLICATED! You can't just wire a standalone into this car and make it work, the engine might run but nothing else in the car will function. ProEFI piggybacked, AEM piggybacked like on the E46 M3, or Nick G. factory ECU retuned are the options. The brains behind these 3 companies are the best in the buisness and it's even difficult for them. No one is tuning this car for a minimal amount of money, you guys just don't get it ...
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Because it's quite COMPLICATED! You can't just wire a standalone into this car and make it work, the engine might run but nothing else in the car will function. ProEFI piggybacked, AEM piggybacked like on the E46 M3, or Nick G. factory ECU retuned are the options. The brains behind these 3 companies are the best in the buisness and it's even difficult for them. No one is tuning this car for a minimal amount of money, you guys just don't get it ...

sigghhhh... i said it within the first few posts......
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Looks like pro efi plug and play tuned for the z4m through afis tuner will be 1200
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$1200 just for the tune right?
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Because it's quite COMPLICATED! You can't just wire a standalone into this car and make it work, the engine might run but nothing else in the car will function. ProEFI piggybacked, AEM piggybacked like on the E46 M3, or Nick G. factory ECU retuned are the options. The brains behind these 3 companies are the best in the buisness and it's even difficult for them. No one is tuning this car for a minimal amount of money, you guys just don't get it ...
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sigghhhh... i said it within the first few posts......
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no way, with pro efi this will be tuned piss easy...... the tuning will be the simpler part of this build, trust me.......
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Actually, didn't you say:
that was in a lutz thread with the hardware ALREADY in place.....

this is a completely different setup with NO ecu even chosen,.... if pro efi is the chosen ecu, then awesome.....

joahness, lets see if this happens first..... :-) are you guys aware of how much JUST the pro-efi hardware is??? nearly as much as the whole turbo kit afi are talking about!!!

how can you bring up what ive said from a different thread on a turbo platform thats already developed and working?? not to mention a shop that tunes with pro-efi all day long (this needs detailed training).... bizarre tbh??
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Point is, our ECU programming is difficult (i.e. expensive) no matter how u slice it - Reiterating what A4ringed said above.
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Point is, our ECU programming is difficult (i.e. expensive) no matter how u slice it - Reiterating what A4ringed said above.
ok i understand where your heading........ excuse my above post.
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Supposedly the guy that is doing the tuning is good friends with the guys at pro efi and he is going to be getting the hardware for a hugely discounted price.
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guys justed wanted to chime in and say you CAN adapt the stock intake for use for your turbo kits...... they loose shape @ 7psi + but you can reinforce them to take boost, this cuts costs massively as your not needing a cast intake..... definatly a huge chunk put out of your costs....
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guys justed wanted to chime in and say you CAN adapt the stock intake for use for your turbo kits...... they loose shape @ 7psi + but you can reinforce them to take boost, this cuts costs massively as your not needing a cast intake..... definatly a huge chunk put out of your costs....
I have been wondering if anyone would step up and say that,lol.

I figured we could just wrap strips of CF around the whole exterior once it had been well sanded/prepped.

Then it could take all the boost you could throw at it. Think of it like the super high PSI tanks for nitrogen or even specialized gas's. Even a Pro paintball nitro tank is done this way with cross hatching of the weave.

Maybe we need a proto-type attempt. Anyone have a spare for me to dabble with ?
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spare intake? which part of it?
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spare intake? which part of it?
Any part that will see boost and fail above 7psi. Is the M intake variable length runner like the S.I. ? Or one main piece with a bolt-on lid ?
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Supposedly the guy that is doing the tuning is good friends with the guys at pro efi and he is going to be getting the hardware for a hugely discounted price.
Just the absolute bare minimum from ProEFI for the Z4 (harness and ECU) is $4,200 retail, assuming you get an average wholesale price, expect 20% discount. If someone is so awesomely amazing and has a super model wife who gives Jason a BJ daily, you MIGHT get 40%. That's still $2,520, half of what you're going to make a whole kit for, and I can tell you right now you're not getting a 40% discount on the Z4M setup. They are spending about 10x the amount of time on this ECU and harness than they are on the M3 setup, aka not a discountable setup right now. So, this 5k turbo setup is going about as far as this thread, and that's nowhere.
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Just the absolute bare minimum from ProEFI for the Z4 (harness and ECU) is $4,200 retail, assuming you get an average wholesale price, expect 20% discount. If someone is so awesomely amazing and has a super model wife who gives Jason a BJ daily, you MIGHT get 40%. That's still $2,520, half of what you're going to make a whole kit for, and I can tell you right now you're not getting a 40% discount on the Z4M setup. They are spending about 10x the amount of time on this ECU and harness than they are on the M3 setup, aka not a discountable setup right now. So, this 5k turbo setup is going about as far as this thread, and that's nowhere.
Would it have saved some breathe by just saying 'Retail on the ProEFI harness & ECU alone is almost the budget for this build total ?'.

Obviously A4RIngedONE8T is as determined to discourage this low-buck project as he can.

Which is odd in that most of us on this forum have been complimentary on your build thread.

This is one of those builds where joy could be had if a $700.00 DIY'er ECU such as MegaSquirt would fit the bill. Oh wait.....they do ! That includes harness and sensors in most cases.
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Would it have saved some breathe by just saying 'Retail on the ProEFI harness & ECU alone is almost the budget for this build total ?'.

Obviously A4RIngedONE8T is as determined to discourage this low-buck project as he can.

Which is odd in that most of us on this forum have been complimentary on your build thread.

This is one of those builds where joy could be had if a $700.00 DIY'er ECU such as MegaSquirt would fit the bill. Oh wait.....they do ! That includes harness and sensors in most cases.
I don't think your understanding him properly....

hes not trying to discourage anyone... just give you guys realistic information... yet people continue to ignore it and not be realistic

By all means good luck and we are here to help anyone who has questions or concerns!

we understand people have a need for "budget" builds and there is nothing wrong with them... We have ALOT of experience in the BMW F/I world from E30's to brand new 2012 M3's.... and we want to ensure that the community is informed properly so that no one makes unfortunate decisions that could cost them THOUSANDS!!!

And as far as PRO-EFI, if AFI advertises anything less than list, trust me there will be ALOT of pro-efi dealers that will be unhappy to see what was posted above, so if they want to even consider that, it shouldn't be advertised...

Please if anyone has any questions or just would like to bounce an idea that they are considering... even if its not for us to build... email us at anytime!!

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Just the absolute bare minimum from ProEFI for the Z4 (harness and ECU) is $4,200 retail, assuming you get an average wholesale price, expect 20% discount. If someone is so awesomely amazing and has a super model wife who gives Jason a BJ daily, you MIGHT get 40%. That's still $2,520, half of what you're going to make a whole kit for, and I can tell you right now you're not getting a 40% discount on the Z4M setup. They are spending about 10x the amount of time on this ECU and harness than they are on the M3 setup, aka not a discountable setup right now. So, this 5k turbo setup is going about as far as this thread, and that's nowhere.
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I don't think your understanding him properly....

hes not trying to discourage anyone... just give you guys realistic information... yet people continue to ignore it and not be realistic

By all means good luck and we are here to help anyone who has questions or concerns!

we understand people have a need for "budget" builds and there is nothing wrong with them... We have ALOT of experience in the BMW F/I world from E30's to brand new 2012 M3's.... and we want to ensure that the community is informed properly so that no one makes unfortunate decisions that could cost them THOUSANDS!!!

And as far as PRO-EFI, if AFI advertises anything less than list, trust me there will be ALOT of pro-efi dealers that will be unhappy to see what was posted above, so if they want to even consider that, it shouldn't be advertised...

Please if anyone has any questions or just would like to bounce an idea that they are considering... even if its not for us to build... email us at anytime!!

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Oh I think it was clear. Sort of like your pictures of your build in another persons thread 'clear',lol.

Cockblocking but informative at its finest.

But you are correct Andrew....if the tune isn't spot on-(with whomevers ecu is used).....thousands of dollars in damage can result.But I think we already got that one too.

Sort pointing a light where there was no darkness really.

Anyway.....hopefully something can come from the outcry for this kit. I've moved on anyway since my Z isn't an M and really doesn't apply to this build request.

I did go ahead and buy some catless AR Designs Stainless downpipes and a set of low mile OEM N54 turbos and manifolds.

If I get time to work with someone like AEM, MegaSquirt or whoever wants to try an S.I. N52 F.I. project...I can do the rest of the fab.
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