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      09-01-2010, 07:06 AM   #23
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No I don't see any reason you can not piece this out. Just get the proper size/thread grade 10.5 bolts (stronger the better) and washers. Mic out the washers to get each washer pack the same thickness.
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Thanks man - hey, regarding the HPDE at NCCAR, I was thinking of maybe trying to make it. Don't have a helmet, would need an inspection, and I'm out of town until Tuesday - have you heard anything more about it? I like the idea for a first time for me - flat, open, constant radius curves, might be a great place for the first HPDE. Just curious.
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Thanks man - hey, regarding the HPDE at NCCAR, I was thinking of maybe trying to make it. Don't have a helmet, would need an inspection, and I'm out of town until Tuesday - have you heard anything more about it? I like the idea for a first time for me - flat, open, constant radius curves, might be a great place for the first HPDE. Just curious.
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Picked up my over the counter hardware and installed it this weekend.
Alignment is booked for Thursday and track on Friday.
I'll post up a few notes on the weekend.
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You'll be at the track a week before me.
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      09-07-2010, 02:30 PM   #28
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Installed camber bolts and manually adjusted for max camber.

I ended up with -2.5 Left side and -3.1 Right side.

After an alignment, I ended up with -2.5/-2.5.

The difference in the front handling is very noticeable during autocrossing. In fact, the back end came around on me once. I am used to the understeer so was surprised when the front held.

I highly recommend this mod. Cheap, quick and noticeable results!
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Picked up my over the counter hardware and installed it this weekend.
Alignment is booked for Thursday and track on Friday.
I'll post up a few notes on the weekend.
Could you share the hardware specs for what you purchased (i.e. bolt length, grade, washer thickness)?

I'd like to try sourcing these from McMaster-Carr using actual shims instead of washers for much closer tolerances.
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Could you share the hardware specs for what you purchased (i.e. bolt length, grade, washer thickness)?

I'd like to try sourcing these from McMaster-Carr using actual shims instead of washers for much closer tolerances.
The bolts are 10.9, M12 25mm
The washers are ~2.50mm each (3 per bolt)
The OE bolts are 20mm, so with the added 2 washers it is threaded in to the same point.

IMO shim stock is overkill.
With manufacturing tolerances, both sides will never be equal.
To fine tune the camber it will still need adjusting at the top.
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      09-07-2010, 05:22 PM   #31
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The bolts are 10.9, M12 25mm
The washers are ~2.50mm each (3 per bolt)
The OE bolts are 20mm, so with the added 2 washers it is threaded in to the same point.

IMO shim stock is overkill.
With manufacturing tolerances, both sides will never be equal.
To fine tune the camber it will still need adjusting at the top.
You wouldn't happen to know if the thread pitch on these bolts are 1.25mm, 1.5mm, or 1.75mm, would you?
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You wouldn't happen to know if the thread pitch on these bolts are 1.25mm, 1.5mm, or 1.75mm, would you?
oops... sorry
They are 1.75mm
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Thanks!

So, just to check, something like:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#90854a223/=8r2a9e
http://www.mcmaster.com/#91455a150/=8r2du0
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I'll be happy to pass on the extra bits to anyone interested.
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Oh, I forgot to say that the stut hole must be perfectly lined op with the threaded hole in the kingpin. If it's not, the bolt won't thread and you could cross thread it.
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      09-08-2010, 02:05 PM   #35
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FWIW, when I installed mine;

1. I just loosened the upper bolt and kept it in place to maintain bolt hole alignment.

2. I removed one of the lower OE bolts and turned in one of the new longer bolts (only 2-3 turns) sans washers.

3. I then removed the other OE bolt and pried a gap big enough to slide in two camber washers.
The 1st bolt (step #2) maintained hole alignment for the 2nd new bolt.

4. I removed bolt in step #2 and added washers, then re-installed.


As pointed out below, be sure to use red loctite
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      09-08-2010, 02:11 PM   #36
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Did same, but added Red Loctite to the threads of the camber bolts since the originals had it.
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^ good point, I missed that in the write up.
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^ good point, I missed that.
Better reinstall before Friday...
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Yes, add some Red Loctite. When I pulled my OEM bolts out, they had some on them.
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LOL... I missed it on the write up; not the install.
...tough crowd


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FWIW, when I installed mine;

1. I just loosened the upper bolt and kept it in place to maintain bolt hole alignment.

2. I removed one of the lower OE bolts and turned in one of the new longer bolts (only 2-3 turns) sans washers.

3. I then removed the other OE bolt and pried a gap big enough to slide in two camber washers.
The 1st bolt (step #2) maintained hole alignment for the 2nd new bolt.

4. I removed bolt in step #2 and added washers, then re-installed.


As pointed out below, be sure to use red loctite
what intgr8r said is spot on, do NOT completely remove the top bolt, it is an absolute PAIN to try and realign the bolt holes properly. just loosen (i made the ar-tard mistake of taking out the top bolt...) and slide the washers and bolts in. locktite is a must!
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LOL... I missed it on the write up; not the install.
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So we should not follow your DIY posts going forward
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So we should not follow your DIY posts going forward
Do as I do, not as I say.
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Do as I do, not as I say.
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