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      12-08-2010, 01:35 PM   #1
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1M is out... How does it compare to our cars?

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IMHO-it's too gaudy. Our cars are far nicer in appearance and "class". But performance-wise the 1 will have the advantage in a straight line. Handling... Can't be decided yet.
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      12-08-2010, 01:51 PM   #2
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it looks awesome, makes the current m3 look nothing more than a sports package from factory. is it overly done? probably but i love the aggressiveness.
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In the Part 4 video, they say it has 340 HP. Which is not much more than the Z4 M. I'm guessing then that it has the N52 twin turbo with more boost; and clearly not the M3's V8.

I'm guessing that the 1M weighs more.

I like the looks a lot. I think the 1M is going to be a great alternative for those that want a true driver's car with 4 seats.
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      12-08-2010, 02:00 PM   #4
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In the Part 4 video, they say it has 340 HP. Which is not much more than the Z4 M. I'm guessing then that it has the N52 twin turbo with more boost; and clearly not the M3's V8.

I'm guessing that the 1M weighs more.

I like the looks a lot. I think the 1M is going to be a great alternative for those that want a true driver's car with 4 seats.
no n52 has boost if you're implying the motor from the 335 (n54/55). and you are correct, it was known from the beginning that the 1-series m would not get the v8, but rather a more powerful version of the n54 which was the major *knock* - ie you could build you up a 135i to match the output of the 1m without the hefty price tag.

i just wonder what the price will be, reporters guessed it'd be near the 45k mark which isn't too bad.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that the stock 1M is a faster car than the Z4M (1M is easily tunable too). I'm a bit angry that the Z4M was short changed with mostly stock body work, while the plebeian 1 series gets outrageously wide fenders (wider than e92 M3?!!) and an outlandish body kit.

I guess the cohesion of the Z4's lines don't lend well to just increasing the width of the fenders and it would be cost-prohibitive for such a low volume car, but COME ON...I would have liked a wide body of some sort separating the Z4M from the other Zs.

Anyway...I think the M coupes looks much more classy than this thing, but I'm willing to bet that the 1M will be somewhat of a collectors item in the future.
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Friend of mine has been on the waiting list for the past few months. I'm sure he's salivating at this point. He currently drives a 135i with the Dinan stage 1 kit. He let me drive it once. What a sleeper that car is...
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Im guessing 350hp, 360 tq, 3200-3400 pounds, shorter gearing. 0-60 in the mid to low 4's. 1 lateral g's.
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Im guessing 350hp, 360 tq, 3200-3400 pounds, shorter gearing. 0-60 in the mid to low 4's. 1 lateral g's.
not so concerned about 0-60. curious as to how it does in the 1/4mi, especially considering stangs are giving m3's a run for their money
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1m is a reincarnation of the e30 m3. 2drs, small size, barely usable back seats for emergency 3+ person travel, and a 7krpm redline. Plenty of cars outperform our Moupes and Moadsters, but we will always have that Steve Mcqueen factor. I like the 1m, and i think turbo chargers are the future of fuel economy/power delivery. Props to BMW for not staying in the dark ages.
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It looks great, but the N54 does nothing for me- my opinion after getting out of a modded 335i and into an M3.

I don't care if the Z4 M Coupe is slower, I don't think any BMW out there can touch the raw character that make it such a great drivers car.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that the stock 1M is a faster car than the Z4M (1M is easily tunable too). I'm a bit angry that the Z4M was short changed with mostly stock body work, while the plebeian 1 series gets outrageously wide fenders (wider than e92 M3?!!) and an outlandish body kit.

I guess the cohesion of the Z4's lines don't lend well to just increasing the width of the fenders and it would be cost-prohibitive for such a low volume car, but COME ON...I would have liked a wide body of some sort separating the Z4M from the other Zs.

Anyway...I think the M coupes looks much more classy than this thing, but I'm willing to bet that the 1M will be somewhat of a collectors item in the future.
I agree with everything stated here

I think the 1M will outperform the Z4M stock for stock. The 1M looks pretty beastly, but overall, not as good as the Z4MC imho (just my personal preference perhaps? )

The argument that the 135i can be tuned to beat a 1M without the price tag is only partially true imo. What makes an ///M is the all-around package. Not just the motor, but the transmission, seats, perhaps chassis bracing, body kit, suspension, wheels/tires, tighter steering ratio, LSD, etc. etc.
I still think the price tag is too high overall for any newly-bought BMW, but in terms of the usual margin over a non-M sibling, I think it's still quite a bargain especially in this market niche.
If given a choice, I would not take a 135i over the 1M, even if it were thousands cheaper, and theoretically I could build one up. But that's just me. I've own both an M & non-M, and I also have a turbocharged car, albeit only a 4-banger, and I truly feel that the M cars are worth the extra dough. I just would stay away from buying any car brand new lolll. Worst investment ever. Used though or cost? DEFINITELY. Without a doubt in my mind!

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It looks great, but the N54 does nothing for me- my opinion after getting out of a modded 335i and into an M3.

I don't care if the Z4 M Coupe is slower, I don't think any BMW out there can touch the raw character that make it such a great drivers car.
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Anybody know if this motor is a little more rev happy than the standard n54? I drove my buddies 335i on meth/race w/ 400+whp and although it was faster it just felt really bland and it liked to be short shifted.

This would make a better M for those w/ only one car as it's daily. IF that was my case I would be all over this for sure. Otherwise this would be my next choice of car, as I was recently dissapointed w/ my test drive in the cayman s.
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Anybody know if this motor is a little more rev happy than the standard n54? I drove my buddies 335i on meth/race w/ 400+whp and although it was faster it just felt really bland and it liked to be short shifted.

This would make a better M for those w/ only one car as it's daily. IF that was my case I would be all over this for sure. Otherwise this would be my next choice of car, as I was recently dissapointed w/ my test drive in the cayman s.
rev happy? if youre talking about the limiter, it remains the same at 7k, but according to Chris Harris of evo (possibly the best auto presenter) the power fades in the low 6k range.. he did also say that the car was quick as hell, and that when you realized how fast you were going, you didnt miss the extra revs.
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Otherwise this would be my next choice of car, as I was recently dissapointed w/ my test drive in the cayman s.
I was disappointed with the Cayman S too, but the Carrera S is another story entirely.......that will be my next car, I like NA motors and BMW is not producing anything beyond the current M3 that appeals to me.

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rev happy? if youre talking about the limiter, it remains the same at 7k, but according to Chris Harris of evo (possibly the best auto presenter) the power fades in the low 6k range.. he did also say that the car was quick as hell, and that when you realized how fast you were going, you didnt miss the extra revs.
Sounds like the N54 in the 335, power comes early and fast and you run out of steam......and I did miss the revs.
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Im guessing 350hp, 360 tq, 3200-3400 pounds, shorter gearing. 0-60 in the mid to low 4's. 1 lateral g's.
I thought it was confirmed the 1M has a 340hp version of the N54 used in the Z4 35is? To me this is not enough margin between the 135i and 1M....

I do like the bodywork. I always wondered why we did not at least get the wider rocker panels as standard on the Z4M.
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I personally think it looks to busy, the rear bumper bars looks strange, and whats the point of the fake side gills. I do like the front of it though.

I'm sure I will like it in the 'metal' though.

I'm just about to jump out of a 130i and into a IB z4mc in a few days. Can't wait!
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Im guessing 350hp, 360 tq, 3200-3400 pounds, shorter gearing. 0-60 in the mid to low 4's. 1 lateral g's.
No way in hell will it come in lighter than the current 135i, which already weighs 3,450 lbs.

It'll probably weigh 3,600 lbs. 0-60 won't be mid to low 4's either. If BMW ///Marketing is anything to go by, the 1M will barely scratch 4.7 as the official number. They're not stupid enough to make a 1er faster than their M3 in 0-60 time.
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If BMW ///Marketing is anything to go by, the 1M will barely scratch 4.7 as the official number. They're not stupid enough to make a 1er faster than their M3 in 0-60 time.
Maybe not for advertised, but recent history shows they are dumb enough to make it faster then the m3.
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Power delivery

My problem with these turbo cars is that high RPM is where the fun is. There is nothing fun about short shifting except the money you keep at the pump.

The point of an M car is to have a streetable car that is at home on the race track. One if the best ways to do that is with high rev power. 6,000RPM. That's no fun. And I had a 335. Hell, just strap it with an automatic and call it a day.

I'm okay with BMW and efficient dynamics and the fuel economy pressure they are under but for M cars, come on. M is dying before our eyes....I hate that I'll have to spend my money at Porsche. I love the unique character that is M.

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Ugly. Direct-injected motors are STILL having HPFP problems, as well as carbon build-up issues. Oil temps run at 300f and more - and that's in moderate street driving.

I'm SO f-ing glad that I bought my Z4MC in '07. I paid it off last year, and intend to keep it forever. It's the last of a dying breed, and even the last BMW to start with a key.
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