Ring of Polemics

[Diokaef]

This thread is intended to be a release valve for polemic content. If for any reason this thread disrespect your believes, religion, or other please leave the thread. Also this thread is not intended for personal attack to others but ratter to talk about polemic content what will for sure create heat between some, so please let's stay educated and not use words with lower content and remember that in the end we are all a big not so functional great family

[Diokaef]

"If you want to discuss how speed limits on narrow twisty public roads don't have anything to do with public safety, which seems to be what you are implying"

lets open this discussions.....

Yes...

[lucid]

Diokaef, I made my positions clear elsewhere. If you mean to debate those positions--if this thread is about that--offer your own. I am not going repeat what I already wrote.

[Diokaef]

Originally Posted by lucid

Diokaef, I made my positions clear elsewhere. If you mean to debate those positions--if this thread is about that--offer your own. I am not going repeat what I already wrote.

To be honest I did not even took the time to read thru what you guys were really talking about it or I want to tell you that I'm the right one Lucid.

I do would like to comment on the posted above on post two do if you like... well I may even learn something.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

To be honest I did not even took the time to read thru what you guys were really talking about it or I want to tell you that I'm the right one Lucid.

I do would like to comment on the posted above on post two do if you like... well I may even learn something.

You didn't offer a position, so there is nothing to discuss as of now.

[Diokaef]

Well... I know that no training will teach what living life and experience on your own will.

what I stated above and you reframed is that the speed limit are posted for those that are not responsible to judge the road, the car and other pertinent conditions that they are in. I don't believe that going over the posted can be putting people in danger just because you are above the posted limit, but way more things to be taken in account for that.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

what I stated above and you reframed is that the speed limit are posted for those that are not responsible to judge the road, the car and other pertinent conditions that they are in. I don't believe that going over the posted can be putting people in danger just because you are above the posted limit, but way more things to be taken in account for that.

Speed limits can provide useful guidance for helping people determine safe travelling speeds and avoid making false assumptions. For instance, if there are limited visibility corners down the road, the speed limit can indirectly warn about such approaching road conditions before the driver even encounters them and can be useful as such.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

Well... I know that no training will teach what living life and experience on your own will.

We should have 10 year olds pilot 747s?

[Diokaef]

Lol, Not in that sense..

Would you have a just graduated pilot for its first fly in a 747?

[Diokaef]

Originally Posted by lucid

Speed limits can provide useful guidance for helping people determine safe travelling speeds and avoid making false assumptions. For instance, if there are limited visibility corners down the road, the speed limit can indirectly warn about such approaching road conditions before the driver even encounters them and can be useful as such.

I believe the road signs do that and not the speed limit ones tho, what it's different.

don't you in the track respect the flags? it's kind the same as the road signs.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

Lol, Not in that sense..

Would you have a just graduated pilot for its first fly in a 747?

No, I doubt those that aviation standards would allow for such a thing either.

If you are trying to move toward making a point about the transition during which someone becomes eligible, and if you are going to relate that to someone driving an M for the first time, just say so.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

I believe the road signs do that and not the speed limit ones tho, what it's different.

don't you in the track respect the flags? it's kind the same as the road signs.

Why are you making a distinction between a sign and the limit? Are you claiming limits are not posted or something?

[Diokaef]

If you ever would drive in some third world country you would see what chaos looks like. and its not because of the speed limit, but because of the limited education that some have. Otherwise the European countries that don't have speed limits on certain roads would be a mess too, but let's make a thing clear I do go under the posted limit where its possible that a kid or other can walk in front of my car.

[Diokaef]

Originally Posted by lucid

No, I doubt those that aviation standards would allow for such a thing either.

If you are trying to move toward making a point about the transition during which someone becomes eligible, and if you are going to relate that to someone driving an M for the first time, just say so.

Yes, M cars should not be the first car for one to drive after training with no life experience.

[Diokaef]

Originally Posted by lucid

Why are you making a distinction between a sign and the limit? Are you claiming limits are not posted or something?

I don't consider the road signs like "left turn ahead" the same as posted signs for speed limits. one can observe the road indication signs but not the speed limit, since speed have a lot to do with the Driver, the Road, the experience, etc.. and you can't give a general speed limit for that.

[lucid]

I grew up in a developing coutry, so I am familiar with driving in such conditions. I also have experience with living and driving in Europe, so I have a sense of that. The developing country I grew up in is almost developed now (Turkey), and traffic rule enforcement and the accountibility that comes with that has gone up dramatically, and the traffic situation has also gotten better. Of course, that also has to do with public awareness and education, but not possible to sort those things out.

Based on my discussions with German friends, my understanding is that there is a debate in Germany about the autobahn--that there should be stricter regulations because people perish for no reason in large chain accidents. I don't know specifics of the debate or where public opinion is on that exactly.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

Yes, M cars should not be the first car for one to drive after training with not life experience.

We agree on that.

[Diokaef]

Originally Posted by lucid

We agree on that.

Age it's not a factor tho

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

I don't consider the road signs like "left turn ahead" the same as posted signs for speed limits. one can observe the road indication signs but not the speed limit, since speed have a lot to do with the Driver, the Road, the experience, etc.. and you can't give a general speed limit for that.

I was not referring to a "left turn ahead" sign. I am literally referring to the posted speed limit. That often takes approach (non-transient) road conditions into account. It sure is possible for the general speed limit to serve as an indication for that, and it is used as such.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Diokaef

Age it's not a factor tho

Please take the time to read what I (and others) wrote on that (since you said you didn't read those posts). I would literally be repeating those long posts here.

[Diokaef]

I agree that to a extent they do take in account, but how would they know what I drive, and the experience that I have etc... they have to go by an average. My car handles above average and my experience is above average (not being an smart ass here tho) so ....

[lucid]

Also, there are some very strict regulations in some European countries around speed limits. Cameras and so on. You get zapped much more quickly electronically. Switzerland and Holland (or was it when we crossed the border to Belgium?) come to mind. I was recently on the road there. So, it is not as if developed nations with well educated populations drop speed limits.