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      12-08-2010, 08:10 PM   #23
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No way in hell will it come in lighter than the current 135i, which already weighs 3,450 lbs.

It'll probably weigh 3,600 lbs. 0-60 won't be mid to low 4's either. If BMW ///Marketing is anything to go by, the 1M will barely scratch 4.7 as the official number. They're not stupid enough to make a 1er faster than their M3 in 0-60 time.
Probably a good guess at the weight. The E9x series M3 weighs more (IIRC about 150 lbs more) than the E9x 3 series. Stronger sub-frame, other things to stiffen things up, etc... And no, they're not going to undercut the next model "up" (M3) in terms of 0-60 bragging rights. (Although with a tune I'm sure it will get the job done and then some.)

I have to admit I kind of like the way it looks, and that fact it's smaller than the M3. I hope they fixed the tendency to understeer that was characterstic to the 135 (probably did). But the weight goes against my grain (my subjective opinion). I really haven't found a car that's over 3,200 pounds that I find a lot of joy in driving. They can be comfortable, go very fast, but the laws of physics make it such that weight always gets in the way of what for me is a fun-factor in a car....

If BMW can get around the following then future offerings may be interesting:
  • Weight
  • Size (everything keeps getting bigger and of course heavier)
  • Revs (running out of steam as the revs climb is boring as hell, and I like having 8K revs to play with)
  • Heat (BMW's track record, pun intended, isn't good with turbo/heat = limp)
  • High Pressure Fuel Pump (things fail like crazy and no fix yet)
Until then the Z4M is the best BMW option I can see that's available for my needs.
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      12-08-2010, 08:12 PM   #24
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No way in hell will it come in lighter than the current 135i, which already weighs 3,450 lbs.

It'll probably weigh 3,600 lbs. 0-60 won't be mid to low 4's either. If BMW ///Marketing is anything to go by, the 1M will barely scratch 4.7 as the official number. They're not stupid enough to make a 1er faster than their M3 in 0-60 time.
They're saying around 1500kg (around 3300lbs) but I still don't see how it could be any lighter than the existing 135i, not with that body kit and uprated parts. They're comparing it to the E46 M3 which is appropriate as the current generation 335i's and 135's will already outperform that car in power but don't provide near as satisfying of a driving experience.

Having driven both the N54 and N55 in both the current 1 series and 3 series the N54 is a far superior engine in driveability and it's unfortunate that BMW seems to be reserving that for their 'higher end' models; the 335is and now the 1M.

I seriously contemplated a 1M instead of the Z4M and took an extended test drive of the current 135 and it was very disappointing, I didn't like anything about that car other than the gearbox and it made my passenger physically ill from its driving dynamics.

If I was looking for a sports luxury coupe that could carry four I'd take the current M3. The back of the 1 is useless for any adult passenger.

The Z4 M Coupe was the logical choice.
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      12-08-2010, 08:59 PM   #25
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I was disappointed with the Cayman S too, but the Carrera S is another story entirely.......that will be my next car, I like NA motors and BMW is not producing anything beyond the current M3 that appeals to me.

interestingly I traded my base 997 in for my Moadster, not b/c it was superior but b/c of finances then but w/ little if any regret. My heart says gt3 or even an S, but the wallet says 50k But gladly I don;t see a replacement in that price range yet especially if this 1M motor is just a 335is motor. I need revs
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      12-09-2010, 12:14 AM   #26
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The 1 M Coupe weighs in about 100 more pounds than an M Coupe. The 1 M Coupe has 10 more hp than an M Coupe. That gives the M Coupe a very slight advantage in hp, but the big difference is in torque. 332 for the 1 M versus 262 for the M Coupe. With all that extra torque the 1 M should power out of a turn much quicker and just generally be quicker. It builds its steam up at a much lower rpm. From the pics, it appears to have the same CSL brakes as the M Coupe, so should stop as fast. So overall, if you wanted the same or better performance than an M Coupe and wanted to take your little ones in the back seat, there you go. If the base price tag holds true at $45,000 it will be a very nice package for a lot of people that couldn't afford the price of admission for a new M3.
If I already had an M Coupe and didn't need the extra seats, I would stick with the M Coupe until it is worn out. I guess that's the purist in me going back to the days of checking your oil with a dipstick, sticking a key into the ignition, and navigation is something the passenger does.
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      12-09-2010, 01:55 AM   #27
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Am I way off base, or can you gear the Z4M about 10-15% lower than the 1M and still achieve the same speed in each gear? I realize it's "area under the curve" and the S54 is peaky, but that peak should still be noticeably higher in the Z4M when you look at the effective torque put to the ground.

Straight Line - tie?
Looks - Z4M
Handling - probably Z4M
Braking - probably a tie
Endurance - Z4M
Reliability - cam bolts aside, Z4M
Price - Z4M
Fun factor - Z4M
Uniqueness - Z4M
Gas mileage - 1M... but this should be a bonus and not a deal breaker for an M car

As far as the ability to tune the car, an ESS supercharged Z4M is hard to beat. The S54 has a greater upper limit because of its iron block, although no 600+ hp options are available. Even with custom parts, I think a Z4M would be cheaper to take into the 600+ hp territory. The only time the 1M will be cheaper to tune is in the <400 hp range.

I remember firing my 3.0i up at night one time in Texas. A little kid walking with his parents by the seawall started screaming, "Daddy! Daddy! Look at the car!!" I used to be that excited kid whenever I saw an amazing car, and I don't think I would have gotten wound up like that over a 1 series.
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      12-09-2010, 02:58 AM   #28
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I can't see many Z4M owners switching to this, as we're an older demographic (which explains Samjam's interest). I see it more as a 135 ZHP than 1M, and a good 1 car solution for someone that isn't financially ready for an M3. The only 1 I've ever liked is the one we don't get - the 130i. Nothing tempting me here.
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      12-09-2010, 05:42 AM   #29
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i cant wait to drive a 1M, looking forward to feeling the power delivery in comparison to my Ess s/c z4M.
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      12-09-2010, 07:52 AM   #30
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I think it looks brilliant, very aggressive and i love the pumped up wheel arches. I too would prefer an 8000RPM screamer of an engine but that doesnt mean that it wont be a good drive. Looking forward to reading the reviews!
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Speaking on first, initial impressions - which to me are really important. Sure, some things will grow on me over time, but I tend to rely on my first impression.

Rear photo - I immeditely though of Lexus IS-F, which has a terrible rear end IMHO. It's like the ended up with a really big bumper and had a hard time figuring out what to do with it, so added that big diffuser, but not really a diffuser type thing. IMO, shoud have brought the exhaust tips a little closer in, and mover them up a tiny bit, with the fascia conforming to the tips better, like virtually every other M car that has been made to date.... The exhaust kind of looks like and after thought, with the tips hanging down like that....
Front - weird combination of M5 and M3 - M5 in the head lights, M3 in the weird double fang look. Front end is not too bad.

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      12-09-2010, 08:04 AM   #32
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It's the last of a dying breed, and even the last BMW to start with a key.

I didn't know that. I'm glad there isn't a push button start too. I can understand that some cars have a "key" card and a proximity sensor, which necessitates a push button, but the whole push button start is such a fad....I never understood why you need to put in your key AND lift off your hand and push a start button.
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      12-09-2010, 08:07 AM   #33
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Are those vertical slits on the front and rear bumpers "real?" Ie: do they let air pass through, or are they purely design elements?
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      12-09-2010, 08:15 AM   #34
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It's the last of a dying breed, and even the last BMW to start with a key.

I don't believe this is accurate. The X3 in its current version went all the way into 2010 with a key start. My wife has an '07 and nothing significant was changed through this year. New model year comes out soon.
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      12-09-2010, 10:16 AM   #35
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I like what they did with the headlights and the bumper is insane...in a good way i think. I'd get one if I needed the extra room maybe but I love having tiny cars.
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first impressions count for a lot and as an overall package, the 1m's aggressive styling and stance are big pluses. i do think it's been slightly overdone though, the wide mouth + air slats + fangs are a bit too much on the front, and the back's canted diffuser design doesn't flow well with the lines.

was probably the logical choice to go with the n54, but from a purist perspective is moving away from classic m philosohpy. i'm quite certain it'll be quicker than the z4m (considering i had a 335i before this and down low it felt very quick with the twin turbos) and will probably handle well, but what it'll feel is an entirely different dimension altogether.

the m coupe is unique, has all the visceral elements of a proper m car and is probably more the driver's car. the m coupe has, as jeremy clarkson loves to lament, soul.
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They're saying around 1500kg (around 3300lbs).
That could mean anywhere from actually 1,500kg to 1,599kg (it's still "around" it).

I'm willing to stake my professional reputation on this. It won't be lighter than the 135i. And if it is there's something else to worry about. If it actually IS lighter than it means none of the typical ///M magic when it comes to suspension upgrades made it into the car, and it likely only has stiffer springs and slightly tuned (heck, even same) dampers, without beefier, longer control arms and stiffer bushings all around AND a reinforced and redesigned subframe typical of older ///M offerings. Unless the whole body is clad in CF it's just not possible, and if the whole body is clad in CF then the car would be in 6 digit range.

And this thing still won't last more than 30 minutes on a track. Not with the N5X engine.
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0-100km/h in 4.9s. how is that possible with 70 extra torque? it should be a lot faster.
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0-100km/h in 4.9s. how is that possible with 70 extra torque? it should be a lot faster.
Probably because of our extra 1000 rpm and lighter weight.
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the m coupe is unique, has all the visceral elements of a proper m car and is probably more the driver's car. the m coupe has, as jeremy clarkson loves to lament, soul.
I believe clarkson was commenting on the roadster ...lol

I've noticed that I seldomly get to drive my car these days since having a kid and another on the way, heck even my wifes e90 is looking too small now. This would be an option for me to actually be able to drive it w/ my family every so often, but never a replacement
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the m coupe is unique, has all the visceral elements of a proper m car and is probably more the driver's car. the m coupe has, as jeremy clarkson loves to lament, soul.
I believe clarkson was commenting on the roadster ...lol

I've noticed that I seldomly get to drive my car these days since having a kid and another on the way, heck even my wifes e90 is looking too small now. This would be an option for me to actually be able to drive it w/ my family every so often, but never a replacement

Looks like you'll be in the market for the M5-series gran turismo sports activity turd.
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The car is revealed at midnight (DE).

Are you excited ?

Power: 340ps/335hp

Top speed: 250km/h

0-100km/h: 4.9s

Torque: 450Nm (332 lb-ft)

Nm 50Nm ( 37 lb-ft) overboost

Weight: 1570kg (EU)(w/ gas, luggage, driver)

Price: approx. 50.500 EUR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spzeR-giq4

I have seen some internal results , leaves the TTRS for dead in driving dynamics and overall enJOYment. And runs close to the Cayman S. (Cayman R might be a different story , though)

It does not matter if you do not get an opportunity to drive this car in the real world.

If you can dream about it and own the Sony Playstation 3 , you can drive the car in the virtual world.

The 1M Coupe will be offered in the near future as a special download for Gran Turismo 5.

Let. Down.

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0-100km/h in 4.9s. how is that possible with 70 extra torque? it should be a lot faster.
0-100kph is 0-62mph. 0-60mph will probably be 4.8. Even then, that number might be slightly underrated by BMW to preserve M3's hierarchy. I'm guessing C&D or Road and Track will pull 4.6 or 4.7 0-60mph times.
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