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04-05-2011, 06:18 PM | #91 |
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Fuck that is awful. I'm sorry to hear
Best recovery to you and your friend, thankfully you were in a safe car.
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04-05-2011, 06:52 PM | #92 |
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Keep your head up bud. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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04-06-2011, 01:56 AM | #94 |
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To the original poster: From all the various types of responses I've read... it seems for a 17 yr old... you're quite mature. I don't think a there's much more you can do if you're too hot into a corner and hit gravel or loose sand at that point, from what I know...it appears that there is no longer a driver and passenger situation...it's just two passengers until the car slows down and gets traction or hits an object.
I disagree with some members that you shouldn't give a teenager a M coupe or X car. I believe anyone can hurt themselves in a yugo or a supercar. I think just last year for local SoCal folks heard the news of an adult driving a supercar costing $200K+ on PCH and crashing into tow truck and died instantly in flames both the driver and passenger. If I had a kid..I would rather give him or her a sport bike than a scooter or moped. The moped is a death machine... too slow to brake, and too slow to accelerate out of a problem...no handling. Sport bike you can lean your way out of trouble of a car cutting into your lane, braking, or speeding your way out. Same goes with a sports car or super car vs a yugo or corolla. Either cars can go to terminal speeds...it's down to the driver's ability to drive without getting into trouble. It doesn't sound like reckless driving...but a little bit of not spotting the road conditions....accidents happens...just learn from it. 3rd gear low rpms is about 40 to 50 mph... my estimate. If you couldn't save it with a M...than another other car you would be worse shape. I'm sure as the driver you have more guilt than you ever thought you want to deal with...but the positive side is that you're both alive and didn't take anyone else out. It's a learning experience to grow from. Glad to read you're both getting better! |
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sad..that must have been so close..i hope u guys are fine now..
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I would recommend one for kids. No passengers, great fuel economy, top speed 65mph... A sport bike and a teenager is just asking for trouble IMO... As for the OP. I found it interesting he stated: "There was absolutely no racing around or anything of the type. It was a lack of traction." (with no mention of the speed limit) and we later find the SL was 35 and he was driving 50mph on the windy, narrow section of road... |
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04-06-2011, 07:38 AM | #97 |
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Nice pickup!
I love these wheels on the Coupe.
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50 in a 35 is nothing in a coupe. Its not an obscene rate of speed by any means, just a bad judgement call if the road did have as much debris as in the picture.
In my experience, on a clear road the posted speed limit seems to be about half of what the car can handle. If he was doing 50 he wasn't doing anything crazy. Quote:
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As a guy who had a 400cc street bike at 17 and who is now a 40-something dad, I say sure - get your teenage son a 1100cc sport bike if you want to see him killed or maimed for life.
The power to weight ratio of one of these things is such that its performance peotential would have made it suitable to race professionally 15 years ago, as a stock out of the box item. While a 17 year old can be relatively mature, they are still 17 year olds - bad judgment and tons of testosterone. I was a bit of a wimp but I still did things that could have got me killed easily. One guy I knew managed to do that. At 17, sensible as you may think you are, you simply do not have the skills or the experience to handle such a machine. And if you disagree, I'll say a prayer for you.
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04-06-2011, 07:54 AM | #100 |
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Oh and to the other poster mentioning the sportbike vs scooter... You are NUTS for even remotely contemplating giving a sportbike to a teenager. Your logic is flawed, not to mention you'd be putting the kid in SERIOUS harms way. They have enough to think about when first learning the rules and ways of the road, much less on a bike of any kind. I'd be willing to bet you don't ride yourself, or you'd already know this.
Faster bike just means he can put himself into trouble faster, and I don't mean with the law. The more power and speed the bike is capable of the less forgiving they are. Same with hitting this tree. Had they hit it on a bike, you can forget about it. Any car is way more forgiving than a bike and that's what teenagers belong in.
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Wrong thread?
A sportbike for a teenager is a much much worse idea than a scooter. Wow, can't believe anyone would actually think that was better. Must not be a rider himself.
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As someone who made the foolish decision as a 17 year old to purchase a sportbike, this is one of the wisest things that has been said about sportbikes and bikes in general. Sportbikes are fun toys, but definitely not something that should be in the hands of a teenager, and most definitely not something on which someone learns to ride.
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04-06-2011, 11:52 AM | #105 |
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I've got a 3 year old right now...IF I still have all three cars in the garage right now by the time she's ready to drive, I wouldn't hesitate to hand her the keys to the Subaru. Because at the time it will be absolutely worthless and it's got just as good of crash protection as the MZ4 Coupe. I would never give her the keys to my MZ4 Coupe because it'll likely be fairly valuable then.
The ONLY problem I have with giving young drivers very nice cars, is that they'll eventually wreck it. Knowing that, I would never give my daughter the nicer cars in the family to wreck. If she must wreck something, I'd rather she wreck my "economy" car. Honestly, at that age, you don't know what trouble is until it happens. By all accounts I was an honors student, straight forward and accountable, and don't do stupid stuff when I was 17. Yet I had no idea what "inches away from death" means at the time. p.s.: Not directed at the OP in any way, just random rant based on some of the tangent that this post has gone off in.
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The issue is not as much about the capabilities of the machine. It is possible to cause serious harm to one's self with a power tool, or even a screwdriver. It is about the attitudes that are inherently invoked when one is operating a high performance driving machine. If you are driving a high performance car, you are much more likely to engage in risky behaviours and mismanage risk. It's not about the thing itself, it's about how the thing is likely to make you behave. This applies to adults/older people as well, but, in general, they have a better sense of assesing risk due to experience. (I say in general because some adults are not capable of assessing and managing risk either). For that reason, I would do whatever I can to keep my children from operating such machinery at a young age--regardless of how mature they might be relative to their peers. There is simply no point in allowing such a thing to happen. They can wait a few years. Sports cars and bikes will be around.
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A hell of an accident for sure, especially at 'just' 50 mph or even less. It doesn't even look wet...
Best wishes to you both in any case! I'm reminded again to drive carefully always. These cars certainly do tempt you. |
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04-06-2011, 01:02 PM | #109 |
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Someone Quoted me earlier on why I specified there was no racing around. A friend of mine that was driving to lunch with us has a blacked out Nissan Maxima, the other person there has an old, lifted, yellow jeep. "Witnesses" (quotes because few actually SAW anything, they only heard my exhaust and skidding) near the scene claimed racing could have been involved.
1) the Nissan was behind the jeep about 1/4 mile behind me. 2) the driver of the Nissan is the most careful, honest, responsible guy I know. 3) why would I be racing a maxima and a jeep. I mentioned that because speculation on the news article comments has led to some nasty nick hogan comparisons and other remarks of similar nature. There was no racing around involved because there was NO racing around. They were behind me, I was in front of them. That's it. |
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