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Good to see xenophobia and Canada get along so well. So the idea of a crossover SUV is unique to BMW? I guess Toyota would be surprised to know that the recent surge in hybrid BMW's is just to reaffirm that BMW invented the hybrid too. Once BMW builds a motor with both direct and port fuel injection, it will be interesting to see you'll spin that as new technology when the Toyobaru already has it. If your hatred is this strong towards Japanese cars, I'd really hate to see your thoughts on the Koreans, who borrow ideas from the Japanese.
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05-10-2012, 12:50 PM | #420 | |
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SUV, whatever, regardless the fact BMW is building SAV not SUV. And yes, it is a difference between them, I hope is no need to go in there. The single company I respect from japanese is Honda. Toyota (aka Lexus) is very well known for copying design almost at indigo from germans, especially Mercedes. It is not xenophobia (not that I really care about a such comment), this is the pure truth, japanese were incapable of bringing something true original in their design. Not to mention Totyota and Subaru's are the most ugliest p.o.s I've ever seen. I have heard comments about Toyota reaching North Pole. Wow, surprize, at North pole the VW beetle boxer engine is running there in almost every working machine for almost 50 years. People should read before open their mouths. Koreans who? And BTW: "Borrow" is not synonym with "stealing". Last edited by Teutonic; 05-10-2012 at 01:08 PM.. |
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05-10-2012, 03:39 PM | #421 | |
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If all you are worried about is styling, you are missing the entire point of this car. And no BMW does not have anything remotely resembling the chassis and engine layout of this car. Matter of fact, no car company at this price point does. Subie/Toyo are leading the way. |
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05-10-2012, 04:32 PM | #422 | |
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I agree. BMW is miles behind when all they are thinking about is still putting M badges and parts onto essentially pig heavy luxury sedans... Yes, BMW is leader is turning big heavy luxury sedans into great sporty feeling vehicles. A sports car from grounds up? BMW is one of the worst...
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05-10-2012, 04:40 PM | #423 |
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BMW is not the Ultimate Driving Machine because of it's design...gosh...
Read my first post, I was talking about taillights and headlights in this Subaru prototype. Everybody knows why BMW is a driving machine, chassis, weight distribution, handling, etc. and on and on... In terms of many things, BMW is one of the few that throws new technology in their cars; the "others" are waiting until the technology is proven, eventualy ready for grab and put it in their "reliable" simple machines. That's why the ones who dare are always one step forward. I have a deep respect for a company that strives to come up with their own philosophy, I have no respect for copy-paste manufacturers. And to make the comment about the cars, I am not looking for a sport car that is a pure sport car, I am looking for a confortable sedan with sporty attitude. 99% I am riding on the street not on the race track. However, if I really want a nice sport car, japanese have nothing for me in their yard. Last edited by Teutonic; 05-10-2012 at 04:50 PM.. |
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05-10-2012, 04:59 PM | #424 | |
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Honestly, you don't have slightest idea about this car if you think they just copied something. |
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05-10-2012, 05:05 PM | #425 |
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Man, I give up...
Please, understand what you want... it's ok... BTW: even in these two tests posted in here you can see, they were not even able to come up with an orginal color in this copy. Not to mention, M1 comparo is pointless form many points of view... You know, some people just don't have eyes for some cars even if the COG is under the sea level. For me, some cars don't even exist. Can you live with it? Last edited by Teutonic; 05-10-2012 at 05:13 PM.. |
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2. What the hell does color have to do with anything? 3. I see no bmw or audi(as you mentioned) in the styling. 4. SAV is MARKETING. You drive a SUV friend.
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3. See 1. 4. Unlike traditional SUVs which are derived from the body-on-frame construction of light trucks, vehicles in the sports activity family are crossovers that are based upon unibody car platforms. BMW emphasized their sports-car like on-road ability, helping to distinguish this new series from others. The sports activity nomenclatures are indicative of the reality that for the most part, the vehicles are more "activity" based than "utility". The sports activity family of BMW automobiles are grouped by their X-series branding. 4A. The X1 is based on a 3 series Touring platform far from an SUV "friend". 5.It is hilarious to see that people assume that the guy from the other side of the forum has no experience; maybe the judgment is based on the number of posts on this forum? 6. Subject closed for me; I wouldn't spend my energy on such vehicle or brand. |
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We get it you don't like the styling or think it copies German cars. That is personal opinion and very much arguable. Where you are completely wrong is stating this car is copy or brings nothing mechanically new the automotive industry. There is a reason why there is such a hype around this car. Either you haven't educated yourself about the car, or don't care too, or too ignorant to understand why this car is revolutionary to the car world. Quote:
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05-10-2012, 08:55 PM | #429 | |
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and... BMW does not own orange... With your line of thinking, BMW copied this then... SAV unique to BMW? No kidding. An SUV with 4 seats and call it a coupe cross-over... X5 drop one seat and sell it for more... Definately unique marketing for the rich, that's for sure. For the masses who wants affordable sports, arguably better engineered than the Porsche Cayman? You have the Toyobaru.
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05-10-2012, 09:04 PM | #430 | |
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For the sporting intention that the Tobayaru carries, it's probably the most livable you can find for daily driving. Any of those Porsche Cayman/Carrera has both less seats, harsher ride and less trunk space. Not to mention costing 3 to 4 times more. If you are talking about interior quality and such, you are out of your mind. It's 26k for god's sake. I'd say the Toyobaru is a game changer. If it sells like hot cakes (which is as expected. I think it'll be super tough to get your hands on one, especially since they are not producing that many for the first year), expect all other manufacturers to REACT to Toyobaru's innovative design and engineering. I for one, can tell you that if I am in the position I was in 2 years ago in choosing a car, I'd have bought the Toyobaru over the 135i. You just get more with less money. It's that good!
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05-10-2012, 11:50 PM | #431 |
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Gentlemen, if you are looking for a car that is under 25k I think you are on the wrong forum.
I personally, prefer quality interior and I am not interested in poor quality interior that will hide behind excuses like " it si 25k for God's sake" . As I already said, it really doesn't matter for me, it can cost 300 bucks and have the COG lower than anybody, it is still a Junkbaru for me. For me quality means everything in every thing including a proper anticorosive body, aluminum or real wood trim, real leather and proper fit and finish. And Ithink I have mentioned already, I am not a Porsche guy, nor other very low cars, I preffer a discreet BMW with a small letter on the corner that puts to shame many other cars that blow too much advertising, and is doing so in confort, superb fit and finish and wonderful sound system with gadgets that make the life on the seat a pleasure. Not to mention a car is many times defined by the hands who drives it and own it... Better engineered than Porsche? Depends what engineering means for people. For some, the engineering term is just a term that defines the numbers on the window sticker; for others it means, mechanics, technical solutions, materials and technology used and other litle things made to be seen by the proper eye... Not last, not every person looks at the vehicle from financial point of view. There are people out there that even if they spend the last cent they know what they want and why. This is why there are choices for everybody, the ones who want a car to take the from A to B and calculates the cost per year, and the ones who love the car and care how they spend that every minute in their daily comuting machine... |
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X1??? Really? And you have the gall to criticize any other car? Fanboi at it's finest. |
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05-11-2012, 12:45 AM | #434 |
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And if you really want to see further let me tell what this "modern junkbaru" is:
It is a1982 BMW E30 under a new body design, (Specific fo these days, and as mentioned before not even original). Bmw had back then 2865 lbs ! Junkbaru arround there Bmw had 2.3l, 4 cyl, 192 hp, at 6750 rpm, And 176 lb-ft torque at 4750 rpm, With 7300 limit rev limit. Junkbaru has 2.0l, 4 cyl boxer, At 7000 rpm, 151 lb-ft, Torque at 6600 rpm. That M3 was RWD with A LSD and Junkbaru is following in kind. Bottom line, SOO MUCH EVOLUTION! Wow, remember my comment withthe japanese waiting to prove reliable? Exception is that they need it 30 YEARS to be there and even now, 30 years later with carbon fiber and all that jazz, thebmw e30 is over in numbers. Japanese cars = too much noise for nothing and no torque. So,Toyobaru can becompared ( very hard but let' s live it like that) with 30 years oldBmw. Thats ths single comparo that can be ever done, and even then it is still unfair forthe japanese.... Cdnrockies, watch your language. We might not be the same age , nor educational level. X1 is not my car, leave the assumption at home. In the meantime find out aboutthat false misleading dual exhaust in IS F. Last edited by Teutonic; 05-11-2012 at 12:55 AM.. |
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As for the dual exhausts....do mean the exact same set up that is on the 750? Idiot. |
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And what have BMW done for us lately? the lightest car is some 30% heavier than what they created 30 years ago... disgrace.
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Please, the guy had BMW X1 written in the 'Drives:' information and deleted it. Obviously, it's someone who wants to see this thread closed and I think he will succeed if you guys still keep helping him.
The 1965 Toyota Sports 800 was the first and up until now the ONLY 'modern era' Front-engine, Rear-wheel-drive sports car featuring a boxer engine (0.8 liter 2-cylinder, 580kg curb weight ). The Sports 800 was also one of the first production cars featuring a lift-out roof panel, or targa top, pre-dating the Porsche Targa. Weight was kept down by using aluminum on selected body panels and thin steel on the unibody construction. For the first few years of production even the seat frames were made of aluminium. That's the Toyobaru heritage: However, the handling benchmark was the mid-engine Porsche Cayman despite the fact that the Toyobaru's center of gravity (17.7 inches high) is one inch lower than a Cayman's. They tried to copy the Germans after all! Last edited by GoingTooFast; 05-11-2012 at 09:28 AM.. |
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Oh!... and the same color, I haven't even noticed... well pointed out!
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@cdnrockies cowboy,
This is just the first comment found at a simple search:One noticeable element of the IS F design were its faux quad exhaust tailpipes consisting of two vertically stacked exhaust tips on each side that did not directly connect to the actual exhaust pipes ( tips were part of the bumper, rather than the exhaust) Call your friend google, he will reveal for you the topgear where they are just making fun of this car. And the comparison with 7 series just proved that you are FAR from car knowledge, probably the street boys that teached you were not very honest with you. You know, a list of cars on the forum will not prove that you are educated or that you have knowledge, nor will make you look better, especially when you are adopting a red neck attitude and vulgar language. Just the fact that you judge someone based on a car that he owns proves many things... GoingToofast, I have changed the name of the car because it seems that in here some people make connections between whatever car you own and the posts, without thinking that actually that can be one of the cars anyway. However, it is obvious that some people will not take criticism from somebody who drives a Pontiac Vibe. It can be whatever car in there, a discussion is a discussion; unfortunately some have very narrow views... BiscottiGelato, The car has a lower COG because of the layout of the boxer engine in comparaison with the inline 6. Plus, we are in 2012, 30 years later, we should expect some improvement , especially these days when we consider that the car technology is also 30 years more mature, don't you think? In one post you are pointing the weight in another the safety. let me tell you something about the safety and the weight. Active safety is one thing, passive safety is another. You might have 8 airbags and one plastic car, when you will hit a heavier car you can bet you wish to be in a heavier car; if you still have the opportunity... Not last, the quality of product and materials comes with a negative element: the weight. Some people preffer a car made from tic-tac plastic, some preffer the cars made from real materials, good quality, nice speakers with titanium elements, real audio wirring, nice leather, vented seats, etc. Bottom line, the agility comes from the weight/HP ratio and the torque power distribution and how that whole machine handles, this is where BMW exceeds. They know how to make well build cars with quality workmanship that are agile too. As I can see, it si nothing new in there, the 1982 BMW solution who benefits from the lower gravity of a H engine, nothing more. And even after 30 years, they still didn't beat that E30 values. What a pitty... You want a light car and cheap? Sure, take it but don't bring the safety element in here... Smart as a vehicle is safe too but reported to certain conditions. Buyers buy their cars based on their perception, but that doesn't mean that is actually the truth... In the end, I am not willing to have an interminable discussion with you, I respect your choices, please respect mine. I still don't understand why people who are frustrated with their cars don't get rid of them and buy whatever they like? Masochism? Please go and buy that tic-tac car, if in your perception is better, go for it, you have one life and is too bad to spend your time in a machine that you don't like. And yes, you are in BMW forum, be ready to take the criticism, otherwise go in the Toyota forum and your posts will be praised. Peace |
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