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      09-05-2012, 11:34 AM   #1
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Inspection 1...does ANYONE know what they are talking about?

Ok, so my car just passed the 23,000 mile mark and I am considering doing my Inspection 1 around 25,000 miles.

I would like to have it done by the BMW Dealership rather than my independent for recording purposes as well as getting a second opinion on what the car needs, etc.

So I have talked to several service advisers. One says wait till 30,000 and it doesn't involve a valve adjustment. The other says bring it in now, and they will do the inspection but just check to see if it needs valve adjustments. The other says valve adjustments after 40,000 miles.

I mentioned the sheet from another forum that shows valve adjustments at inspection 1, none of them seemed to care.

I also follow the forums and some or maybe most get the valve adjustments done in the 20,000 mile range? Maybe some wait until the 40,000 mile range?

So what should I do?

Should I pay the extra $600 or $700 and have them do Inspection II instead of Inspection I which would cover the valve adjustments?

Should I just go by what the tech. says and have them look at it to determine if the adjustment is necessary?

Should I just do Inspection I and forget about the adjustment until 40,000?

There just seems to be so many opinions and situations I really can't determine what the consensus is!
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Your advisors are idiots. Your car will tell you if you need inspection 1 before 30k miles. It's dependent on how the car was driven. I just did my inspection 1 at 24k miles. If it doesn't say you need it, then do it at 30k miles. Inspection 1 and 2 absolutely need a valve adjustment. They can't just check and see if it does. You go through the same steps whether it needs new shims or not. Maybe your dealer isn't the one that should be giving you a second opinion.
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Yeah, I thought about that as well.

I had my oil changed at around 20,000 miles at my indy. The next service indicator says 12,000 now. I change the oil every 6,000 miles.

Should I just go by that 12,000 service indicator? I'm pretty sure the computer wasn't saying do Inspection 1 at 20,000 miles.

I may just do Inspection 1 at 30,000 with the valve adjustment just to be 100% safe? Then that would be a little sooner than the service indicator.

Does that sound good?

BTW: Bought the car at 15,000, don't know how it was driven then. But I don't really drive the car hard (no track, drag racing, 100 mph +, etc.).
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If it says "inspection 12000" when you start the car now, then just do it at 30k (most likely it will get to zero before 30k though, just the way it calculates it).
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If it says "inspection 12000" when you start the car now, then just do it at 30k (most likely it will get to zero before 30k though, just the way it calculates it).
Great, thanks Rated M, that is what I was thinking anyways.

I'm still not used to the idea of the car telling me when to do things!
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Your advisors are idiots. Your car will tell you if you need inspection 1 before 30k miles. It's dependent on how the car was driven. I just did my inspection 1 at 24k miles. If it doesn't say you need it, then do it at 30k miles. Inspection 1 and 2 absolutely need a valve adjustment. They can't just check and see if it does. You go through the same steps whether it needs new shims or not. Maybe your dealer isn't the one that should be giving you a second opinion.


Like Rated M said, both Inspection I and II include valve adjustments. Inspection II involves fluid changes (diff, transmission) and plugs. Inspection I does not. The service indicator uses fuel consumption as a rough guide to determine whether the valves need adjustment. I agree that you could probably just do an oil change if the car doesn't see hard driving. I'd also have whoever does the service look closely for leaks (rear axle, diff, power steering, CPV). 'Course you can DIY that too (same with the oil change).

Dealer/SA are probably getting the M mixed up with the 3.0i or si. The 3.0 doesn't require valve adjustments. Here's a checklist that clearly shows the differences.

The Z4M is relatively rare, and if you put it in terms of it being an E46 M3 they'll probably "get it". But I'm not sure I'd want to trust my car/business to a dealership where I'd have to explain what to have serviced. But if you've got 6K miles to go, you can worry about that later.

I'm not quite sure what's meant by "recording purposes". If you keep all the receipts for work done on the car, and go to sell it, those serve as records. Personally I find those a lot more valuable and accurate than hoping things get reported into "Car Faux", which I've found is horribly (and inaccurate) in some cases.
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For the "recording purposes" my indy mechanic does not release the info to carfax.

So if I ever did list the car, the carfax would show a service history for the car right around when Inspection I should happen and help to verify that at least something was done during that time.

I do keep a book of everything ever done or purchased for the car, from oil changes to alignments to the zhp shift knob.

However, someone buying a BMW may think that using the stealership is better than the indy mechanic (which we know is not true). So for the BIG services, it's nice to show "service by BMW of ..."

Looks like I will just get an oil change and enjoy the car until the middle of next summer when I cross 30,000 miles!
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Either your indy shop screwed up and reset your service indicator early when they did the oil change or it was done while the previous owner still owned it. There's no way inspection 1 is due at 32k miles for the M. It's basically mathetically impossible.

Edit: sorry I meant inspection 1.

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GP20, I meant Inspection I, not Inspection II.

As Rated M said, and I witnessed it with my 128i, the service indicator fluctuates, so it probably will happen before 30,000, I just probably don't need it until then because of my driving style.
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GP20, I meant Inspection I, not Inspection II.

As Rated M said, and I witnessed it with my 128i, the service indicator fluctuates, so it probably will happen before 30,000, I just probably don't need it until then because of my driving style.
It's why I asked if you have an M or non-M. Like I said, for an M, it's basically impossible for inspection 1 to be due at 32k miles. It'd be due much ealier than that. The service count-down indicator is variable and calculated by your fuel consumption (666 galons of fuel per oil-service or inspection). Your 128i surely has a hell lot better gas mileage than a Z4M.
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I just checked and the inspection reading said 12,525.
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It's 12,525 from your current mileage. So, what is your current mileage? I drive pretty conservatively as well and my first inspection is due in about 3900 miles from my current 20k miles. From what I've gathered, most inspection I are done somewhere around the 25k mile mark, which is reasonable. Getting inspection I at the 30k mile mark means that you will have to average approx. 23mpg over the entire life of the car, which I'm not sure even gramma can achieved.

I have to agree that getting it on records for car fax is meaningless and isn't worth the extra cost or hassle to have it serviced at the dealer. You should be just fine as long as you have all the documentation that the service have been performed.

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I just checked and the inspection reading said 12,525.
So your car now has 23k miles. The service indicator shows 12525 miles. When the service indicator is reset, it starts counting down from 15525 miles. So that would mean your car at least had 20k miles on the clock the last time the service indicator was reset. In a perfect world, the car would have travelled exactly 15525 miles (or more) when the service indicator shows 0. In reality, with the S54 engine and with the variable indictor, it counts down a lot sooner.

In your case, something obviously doesn't add up. Either somebody screwed up when resetting the service indicator, or your scheduled Oil Service was done really, really late. You might feel better if you choose to believe that there wasn't a screw-up though.
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Current mileage is at 23,000.

I'm probably going to drive 1,000 more this year.

I'll just do it next July or at 27,000 or 30,000, whichever comes first.
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When I bought the car, it had both it's annual oil change because of mileage and at 15,000 when I bought the car.

I had another oil change at 20,000.

Actually, now that I think about it the service indicator was around 8,000 when I had the oil changed, IF I can remember correctly.

Maybe my mechanic reset everything by accident.
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When I bought the car, it had both it's annual oil change because of mileage and at 15,000 when I bought the car.

I had another oil change at 20,000.

Actually, now that I think about it the service indicator was around 8,000 when I had the oil changed, IF I can remember correctly.

Maybe my mechanic reset everything by accident.
There's your problem. Your mechanic shouldn't have re-set the service indicator at all. That would mean your inspection 1 really should be done at 28k miles or sooner.

When you turn on the ignition and when your service indictor appears, next to the 12,525 miles, does it show "oil service" or does it show "inspection"?

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It says Inspection.

I'm thinking, and it's a BIG IF, that it may have been reset at 20,000, which would mean my inspection I should be *around* 27,500.

Of course, I put 3,000 miles on since I had my oil change. If it WAS reset at 20,000, should it be 12,525 - 3,000 I already put on???
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It says Inspection.

I'm thinking, and it's a BIG IF, that it may have been reset at 20,000, which would mean my inspection I should be *around* 27,500.

Of course, I put 3,000 miles on since I had my oil change. If it WAS reset at 20,000, should it be 12,525 - 3,000 I already put on???
It'd be 12,525 + the 3k miles you already put on, which would put it right around 15,525.
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Like Rated M said, both Inspection I and II include valve adjustments. Inspection II involves fluid changes (diff, transmission) and plugs. Inspection I does not. The service indicator uses fuel consumption as a rough guide to determine whether the valves need adjustment. I agree that you could probably just do an oil change if the car doesn't see hard driving. I'd also have whoever does the service look closely for leaks (rear axle, diff, power steering, CPV). 'Course you can DIY that too (same with the oil change).

Dealer/SA are probably getting the M mixed up with the 3.0i or si. The 3.0 doesn't require valve adjustments. Here's a checklist that clearly shows the differences.

The Z4M is relatively rare, and if you put it in terms of it being an E46 M3 they'll probably "get it". But I'm not sure I'd want to trust my car/business to a dealership where I'd have to explain what to have serviced. But if you've got 6K miles to go, you can worry about that later.

I'm not quite sure what's meant by "recording purposes". If you keep all the receipts for work done on the car, and go to sell it, those serve as records. Personally I find those a lot more valuable and accurate than hoping things get reported into "Car Faux", which I've found is horribly (and inaccurate) in some cases.
Inspection I has fluids too. Plugs Inspection II. Valve inspection and adjustment both.

I stand corrected. I'm sure I have an earlier schedule where Transmission and Diff fluids are changed in Inspection I. I'll check when I get home...
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It'd be 12,525 + the 3k miles you already put on, which would put it right around 15,525.
Right, sorry brain fart on my part.
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