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      09-19-2012, 05:09 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle
by the way, I did HOURS of research of air/air intercooling vs air/water intercooling vs even adding a peltier cooler to an air/water cooled system(too inefficient)

I've been convinced to stay with air-air, combined with water/meth injection


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Air-to-water. If we use water as the cooling medium instead of outside air, we can see a big improvement for several reasons: Water can absorb more energy with a lower temperature rise. This improves our DTlm, makes it bigger, which makes Q go up and outlet temps go down. A well designed water cooled exchanger also has a much bigger U, which also helps Q go up. And since both DTlm and U went up, you can make the area A smaller which makes it easier to fit the intercooler in the engine compartment. Of course, there are some practical drawbacks. The need for a water circulation system is one. A big one is cooling the water down after it is heated (which means another radiator). This leads to another problem: You heat the water, and cool it down with outside air like the Syclone/Typhoon. You can't get it as cool as the outside air, but maybe you can get it within 20 degrees of it. Now you are cooling the turbo air with water that is 20 hotter than the outside air, and you can only get within 15 degrees of that temperature so coming out of the intercooler you have turbo air that is 35 degrees hotter than outside! (turbo air is 15 deg over water temp which is 20 deg over outside temp). You could have easily done that with an air to air intercooler! But... if you put ice water in your holding tank and circulate that... Then maybe the air temp coming out of the intercooler is 15 deg above that or 45 to 50 deg. Hang on! But after the water warms up, you're back to the hot air again. So, great for racing, not as good for the street."

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/intercooler.html
I'm really pleased you took the time to do that research.... Awesome stuff.... Your air/air with meth is as chilly as you'll ever need ;-)

Also those Asa blowers make awesome tq but not much room.... The v3 is MUCH bigger and sadly is well out of its efficiency range on the lower kits ..... It NEEDS 8+ lbs... 9-10lbs That unit is just getting in its stride and really makes nice hp and Asa level of tq... 13psi on our blower makes 530+ whp... As proven by the jaws setup.

Really nice thread btw.
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